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We're looking at some good quality trail damage.....
Great pics.
Glad you all had fun.
I want to do that trail immediately.
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08-13-07, 10:13 PM
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Bummer about the carnage, but good job as a group getting through.
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It seems that many agree this is one of the top trails in California.
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Yeah it really is, one of the top 5 IMO; a nice combo of rocks tree squeezes, granite, meadows, lakes, and beautiful wilderness views.
We ran it about 3 weeks ago; no carnage even from the other trucks with 33’s, longer wheelbases, and open fronts. ~ 6 hrs per day of wheelin’, Most of the trail is very slow speed; rocks everywhere & trees squeezes like I’ve never seen. Think we passed through 8 different rock gardens including the tough Thompson Hill. Middle section is not difficult just bumpy and slow, the other two days where rougher but very fun.
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08-13-07, 10:19 PM
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Nice fish!
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08-13-07, 10:20 PM
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My steering went about 50 yards from Divorce Rock...
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08-13-07, 10:23 PM
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Yea Nice fish!
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08-13-07, 10:26 PM
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Right on dude. Carnage means you had fun! Try Johnson Valley sometime 
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08-13-07, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliCruiser
Sounds like a great trip! This trail is on my list to do in a couple years when my wagon is ready. It seems that many agree this is one of the top trails in California. Nice to here Patches did well too Brett!
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Patches perfomed beyond my expectations...This is a very tight trail, especially for a tall, long SOA wagon and I think coming away with no body damage at all is nearly impossible.
Besides my busted motor mount and alot of new dents, the only other lost was my original radio mast antena and a 2M antena coax cable...This is the most fun I've had denting up a new rig for sure 
Here's some before shots...
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08-13-07, 10:33 PM
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And after...
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And some shots of Rick, Alvaro & Mike...
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08-14-07, 08:06 AM
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Alvaro, can feel your pain on the sector shaft. Just amazed you guys don't carry a spare box. After breaking mine, I have always carried a spare 80 steering box.
I wonder if this is related to 2 years ago at Moab when you had your steering off-center for no reason. We replaced the drag link in camp. Am I remembering right?
When mine broke I was not even on the trail. Just started and dropped off the first obstacle and it broke clean and easy. I am impressed you guys got it fixed. We tried welding mine but no luck. Did you actually take the box apart to weld the shaft and what did you use for pins?
I am starting to think the hydro assist on these big trucks will help. Makes the box not do all the work. I also think that for hardcore wheelers it might be worth it to take the pitman arm off and inspect the shaft, but not sure if one will see the crack. Mine broke about 2mm outside of the box.
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08-14-07, 09:10 AM
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Christo,
Rick drilled 3 holes on each broken sector shaft piece. Then used half a hub stud to fill each hole. The studs worked as pins for internal strength. Then with his portable MIG welder, he made sure they did not come a part. It was a very clever fix.
BTW, I'm glad I got those front inner axles from you a while back.
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08-14-07, 09:30 AM
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Here's how the sector shaft looked like:
The shiny part was the area holding the two pieces together. The dull area around it had separated long before the Dusy trip. It's a scary thought. I'm glad it happened where it happened and not on some hard obstable, or while on a mountain road at 40 MPH.
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08-14-07, 09:53 AM
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08-14-07, 11:02 AM
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Sector shaft drawing or chunky potato
Alvaro,
I think you mixed up your drawings.
The drawing you posted must surely be a section drawing of one of Brett's under cooked potato chunks.
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08-14-07, 11:04 AM
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Please refer to my avatar for my thoughts on this report.
That is some good wheelin' there.
Glad you made it out.
I feel like a big baby for whining about my busted brake line a couple of weeks ago.
I care a spare sector shaft and steering box seal kit for an event like that, but it would probably be easier just to get the whole box?
More spare parts!
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08-14-07, 11:16 AM
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I'm also thinking ram assist may reduce the load.
We need Chromoly sector shafts!
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08-14-07, 11:29 AM
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Quote:
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We need Chromoly sector shafts!
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Now you're talking!
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08-14-07, 11:30 AM
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Cross section of Brett's dinner...
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Originally Posted by Inverness
Alvaro,
I think you mixed up your drawings.
The drawing you posted must surely be a section drawing of one of Brett's under cooked potato chunks.
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08-14-07, 11:36 AM
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There's a post here somewhere about a newer power steering box with a larger sector shaft (it requires a new arm).
One of the guys down under found out about it, and CDan was looking into it. Pretty spendy, IIRC.
Here's the post: http://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php...46&postcount=6
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08-14-07, 01:35 PM
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Interesting. You guys are carrying soooo many spare parts it's crazy! I know you need stuff way out in the bush, but dang; spare axles, seals, birfs, oil, greese, driveshafts, steering boxes, u joints, rear axles, hub studs, ect...... I bet if you took everyone's spares you could build one entire cruiser! But i guess that's the idea.
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Remember it's a gateway drug, so it will actually lead to "crystal meh".
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08-14-07, 01:40 PM
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Quote:
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What I've described was just the damage to my rig. Others had some damage as well.
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Crap, poor La Cabra!
Hydro-assist is street-legal, right? Just not full hydro...
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Here's the complete thread that discussed, among other things, the upgraded 35mm steering box and pittman arm now being shipped by Toyota: http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/146800-pre-expedition-build.html
CDan said the change to the newer, larger sector shaft came after 80 series production ended. But at $2,503.52 (USD), not including the required pittman arm change, your money would be better spent on hydro-assisted steering.
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08-14-07, 07:20 PM
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Glad to see no one ended up upside down or jumping....
Seems everyone's been doing a lot of that lately....
La Cabra is pretty much the raddest 80 I've seen. 
Ever.
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08-14-07, 07:23 PM
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Quote:
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Cross section of Brett's dinner...
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Before those Potatoes, I thought Brett was Irish. Now I know for sure he is not. He is lucky he is married to a good woman, or he would not be able to maintain his "buff" frame.
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08-14-07, 07:47 PM
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Quote:
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Before those Potatoes, I thought Brett was Irish. Now I know for sure he is not. He is lucky he is married to a good woman, or he would not be able to maintain his "buff" frame.
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Boy...this potatoe thing is getting a real run  For your info Andy...I AM half Irish...but only the good half 
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08-14-07, 09:52 PM
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damn, you guys took a beating up there. luckily you all know what your rigs are capable of.
you guys deserve it.
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08-14-07, 10:47 PM
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wow, that's incredible...all you did to fix the issues...and Monica...she is so great   ...bummer I missed it  ...and I was called  ...next time...you guys do so much fun stuff...
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08-20-07, 01:50 PM
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hmm, mental note that I need to wheel with friends like yours, or with other 80 owners that I am bigger than
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08-20-07, 01:54 PM
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size complex dan?
it's not always the size of the tire, but how you navigate the terrain.
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Remember it's a gateway drug, so it will actually lead to "crystal meh".
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08-21-07, 11:25 PM
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Don't be overly impressed by these yahoos. A couple years ago we took a much "smaller" 80 Series, IIRC 33s, 2.5 OME, no special bumpers, etc., through with less drama. No offense to Jeff, actually a it's compliment, he was a "less experinced driver." Not that the the Dusy is an easy trail, 'cause it isn't and the penalty for mistakes or mechanicals is very BAD due to the remoteness of this TOUGH trail.
Anyway, don't be too impressed by these BIG boys. Yes they play hard and play often (I'm jealous). And yes, they break stuff in the worse possibly situations. They wheel the crap out of their rigs.
So what's my point?
Bring what you got.
Wheel what you bring.
Get off the interweb and get your butt into the bush. You'll have a blast for a couple years, then you'll start breaking your sector shaft, you'll fix it, wheel a couple more years and break it again or get hydro assist or ??. Isn't it funny how causal Alvaro and Mike talk about carrying spares for changing their steering box as a preventative maintenance? (By the way waht the hell is Alvaro talking about prophylactics??? Rubbers??? Must be a Venezuelan translation thing?)
For the record, I'm not writing this to Dan, just anyone who might think they need another "mod" before they attempt a "tough" trail with the "big" boys. You don't, just ...
Bring what you got.
Wheel what you bring.
OK "big" boys, flame on, bring it (pack a lunch) I'm waiting....
Got my prophylactic on...
P.S. Bummed I missed the trip.
"Not so Big" Jeff gettin it on the Dusy in 2004:
Check out those "hard core" BFG ATs...
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