[lathamb]

I installed these tonight after work. Amazing difference. I don't see how the old ones were working at all. the surrounds of both were at least half missing. The center of the passenger side speaker also had a huge hole in the center. Well worth the hour and 40 bucks for the speakers. If you use the weather stripping and bend in the tabs on the speaker frame they fit perfectly. I removed the plastic "nuts" that the original speaker bolts screwed into and clamped the metal "nuts" that came with the speakers into the original holes. Worked well with the screws that came with the speakers and no drilling needed.
Ben

[Rivera5]

I bought the Pioneer TS-G1641R Speakers at Best Buy for $19.99. I bought the demos and they removed them for me from the speaker wall. Installing today on my 97LC. I am going with the weather stripping and will also bend the tabs. But when you say bend the tabs in (lathamb) you do mean in as toward the door, right?
Hopefully this goes smoothly. I'd like to stick with the stock look but if the sound improves then I really do not care.

[slamd58]

I've got a 94 FZJ and unfortunately my Pioneers were NOT a direct install. For some reason the magnet on the rear of the speaker hit the Metal window run. The gap was more than 1/4" and may have been 3/8". Unfortunately it was to much of a gap, so I went ahead and took the speaker grilles off the door panel and installed them on the outside of the door panel and put the Pioneers covers on. They sound better than the old ones, especially since I found the p/s speaker totally missing..... No wonder that side wasn't working. Even though the factory grilles are missing they still look nice and sound good.

I also took this opportunity to replace the door window molding and clean the door locks, window regulators, etc. The windows go up/down like butter now.

Let me know if anyone wants pics with the pioneer grilles on and I will get ya some.

[thugmusk]

Originally Posted by slamd58

Man these things are getting hard to find.

This guy just combined shipping on them (front and rear) for a total of $66 delivered.

[Skillet]

Originally Posted by thugmusk

This guy just combined shipping on them (front and rear) for a total of $66 delivered.

Good deal.

[theferg]

Originally Posted by thugmusk

This guy just combined shipping on them (front and rear) for a total of $66 delivered.

So are his auctions for a pair of speakers then? He's got them priced at like $25 in the auction but I don't see anywhere that it says it is a single speaker or a pair of speakers... Just wanna be sure. Sent him a message as well but want to see how your experience went/goes.

-Ferg-

[thugmusk]

Originally Posted by theferg

So are his auctions for a pair of speakers then? He's got them priced at like $25 in the auction but I don't see anywhere that it says it is a single speaker or a pair of speakers... Just wanna be sure. Sent him a message as well but want to see how your experience went/goes.

-Ferg-

One listing says pair the other does not. Can't believe I didn't read the second one closer. I just emailed him as well.

[theferg]

I got a response that said the auctions are for pairs of speakers. w00t! Just made the purchase. Can't wait to see how well my $66 buck speakers sound with my scion head unit.

-Ferg-

[citadel]

installed these on my 97 tonight (fronts); will be doing the rears tomorrow. I used a section of window channel as a gasket around the speaker to prevent it from hitting the window metal channel.(since I just replaced my old window channels )

For those of cant get this mod to fit behind the stock panels.. I have a question....

Are you trying to reuse the stock black grill cover that mounts over the stock speaker?

I ditched it and just set the door panel with the integrated speaker grills over the pioneer speakers...

Wondering is that was causing fit problems for you guys.....

[cruzer971]

I agree that the stock speakers are far from sounding good. But Why not just get rid of the ugly factory speaker covers anyway. There are so many choices for premium speakers that will work when mounted from the outside, and they will sound better with more low frequency response than anything thin designed to fit behind the panel. The factory inverted cone is a joke. And the 4" speakers in the back that have another hollow inch around them, get rid of them too. Trim the rear door sheet metal back another 1/4" and you can fit 6" speakers back there too! That is what I've done to both my 80's. Sounds great even without a sub, even better with a sub.
As for resale value, or whatever reason for keeping the factory covers. I think that a better sounding stereo will totally outweigh any loss of O.E. look. I don't like a lot of the outrageous looking plastic grills out there, and I think mine looks quite nice with the all black mesh grill covers. If it came down to it, you could paint the grills just like a home theatre in-wall/ceiling speaker, to blend in to the door panel.

[thugmusk]

The Pioneer's arrived Thursday. Extremely fast shipping. Installed the rears last night but had to modify the stock speaker "basket" to accept the new speaker. Almost a 15 minute job, closer to half hour. Much improvemnt with just the rears done.

Rich

[thugmusk]

Just got done doing the fronts. No rotarty cutting device needed on these.

What I did was remove the 4 stock white inserts and used the metal clips that came with the speakers. I made 4 rubber washers from a sheet of 1/8 inch rubber by cutting 4 small circles and then melting a small hole in the center. Then fed each screw through the speaker and through each washer thereby holding the screws in place. Lined them up with the clips and tightened. They cleared the window arm and no bulge. They sound great! Well, they should, all the surround was missing from the DS speaker and all but an inch of it was missing from the PS.

Rich

[bpenn1980]

Originally Posted by slamd58

I've got a 94 FZJ and unfortunately my Pioneers were NOT a direct install. For some reason the magnet on the rear of the speaker hit the Metal window run. The gap was more than 1/4" and may have been 3/8". Unfortunately it was to much of a gap, so I went ahead and took the speaker grilles off the door panel and installed them on the outside of the door panel and put the Pioneers covers on. They sound better than the old ones, especially since I found the p/s speaker totally missing..... No wonder that side wasn't working. Even though the factory grilles are missing they still look nice and sound good.

I also took this opportunity to replace the door window molding and clean the door locks, window regulators, etc. The windows go up/down like butter now.

Let me know if anyone wants pics with the pioneer grilles on and I will get ya some.

I'm having problems with my '94 install too. The magnet in contact with the glass run is leaving a large gap. I'm going to try 1/2 weather stripping and then put the door panel back on, but I fully expect a bulge and will likely have to try a different speaker or use the Pioneer cover. I'll let you know how it turns out

[toyman317]

I took some fuel hose and made 3/8 inch spacers to put between the speaker and the door metal where the screws go in to pull the speaker out some away from the channel. Then filled the gaps with weather strip. Put the door back on and all is well. Hope that helps.

[bpenn1980]

Well, the fronts are in. I used 1/2" closed cell weather stripping to build a ring on the sheet metal in hopes that would lift the speaker away from the window run. That worked, though its still touching a little.

As it sits, the 1/2" weather stripping is holding the speaker from pressing too hard on the window run but too far off for the door panel to snap all the way down. Doors still close fine, but there is 1/4" to 1/2" gap there....

I'm leaving it that way for now I guess.

Do you all think the speaker and door panel touching is going to damage the speaker or hinder its performance??

[IdahoDoug]

What model Pioneer speakers are you using for the fronts, Penn?? Curious, as I just bought some of the ones I used for a buddy's 80.

DougM

[bpenn1980]

Originally Posted by IdahoDoug

What model Pioneer speakers are you using for the fronts, Penn?? Curious, as I just bought some of the ones I used for a buddy's 80.

DougM

Just double-checked to make sure I didnt bugger it up, but I put Pioneer TS-G1641R's up front. I dont think these work in '94's, too deep.

Now I'm worried that the door panel is rubbing on the speaker, so I'll probably pull them....though I cut and soldered the new wires...

[=NCG=Blind Man]

[jonheld]

I just picked up a pair of the Pioneer TS-G1642Rs off of Ebay for $39. Dropped them in this morning, replacing my Alpine 5.25". No muss, no fuss. I wanted to use the 5.25s in the rear doors, but I ran out of time and patience trying to figure out how to mount them. Stayed with my Alpine 4".

Sounds OK by me so far.

[bpenn1980]

I dropped the smaller Pioneers in the rear this morning. Fit perfect, just trimmed the back out of the black plastic basket to hold them. Sound is much improved in the cabin now. Still no bass, but I suppose a sub would help. I dont think my stock one is plugged in or something.

[Atoyot1031]

Originally Posted by lathamb

I removed the plastic "nuts" that the original speaker bolts screwed into and clamped the metal "nuts" that came with the speakers into the original holes. Worked well with the screws that came with the speakers and no drilling needed.

What he said. It was super easy. I liked them so much, I bought a second pair of the Pioneer TS-G1642Rs and installed them in the rear doors through over the panels, and holy schnikes, what a difference. As Doug mentioned, with just the front replaced, the lows were lacking, and that is with both my factory Lexus and factory LC "subs" in working order. With the rears installed, it made me want to listen to music again. All that for ~$80 at Wal-Mart.

[UCBerzerkeley]

Originally Posted by Atoyot1031

What he said. It was super easy. I liked them so much, I bought a second pair of the Pioneer TS-G1642Rs and installed them in the rear doors through over the panels, and holy schnikes, what a difference. As Doug mentioned, with just the front replaced, the lows were lacking, and that is with both my factory Lexus and factory LC "subs" in working order. With the rears installed, it made me want to listen to music again. All that for ~$80 at Wal-Mart.

I know these pioneers are a budget setup with minimal modification required, but man, you guys would go crazy with a real audio system installed =D

[lndcruz]

It seems that the ones mentioned are not available anymore.

Are these the replacements for the TS-G1641R? Pioneer - 6-1/2" 2-Way Car Speakers with Polypropylene Cones (Pair) - TS-G1642R

[Atoyot1031]

Originally Posted by lndcruz

It seems that the ones mentioned are not available anymore.

Are these the replacements for the TS-G1641R? Pioneer - 6-1/2" 2-Way Car Speakers with Polypropylene Cones (Pair) - TS-G1642R

Yes, they were released as the replacements in '08 I think.

[Enigma]

Does Pioneer, or someone else, make a good replacement for the rear cargo area speakers? My 81 seems to have factory speakers all over the place in it.

[UCBerzerkeley]

Originally Posted by Enigma

Does Pioneer, or someone else, make a good replacement for the rear cargo area speakers? My 81 seems to have factory speakers all over the place in it.

I simply want to unplug those, however don't want to take apart the entire rear roof liner to get to them!

[CycloSteve]

96 FZJ80 here. Installed the 1642's in the front and 1042's in the rear today. Relatively easy install in about two and a half hours.

First disconnected the speakers in the dash, and the ones in the far-back. About an hour invested, mostly in the removal of the back of the headliner.

Re-worked the rear-door baskets, and used a few dabs of hot-glue to hold the speakers to the baskets. Snaped the covers back on. Presto, half hour and done.

Removed the door panels with ease...best panels I have ever worked with; thanks Toyota. Used 1/2 inch strip insulation to seal the speakers, and a 1/4 inch nylon "washers" to mount to the factory nylon nuts in the door. Bought longer screws 14 x 1's. The panel bulges maybe 1/8 inch just at the front, so completely hidden. Definitely less than an hour to complete both sides.

Recommend this upgrade to anyone looking to actually hear some bass from their stereo...OK, plus about a buck of hardware from my local ACE.

Next up, Scion HU; trolling eBay for the right one to work with my iPod/Aux.

[Sno bored]

Originally Posted by UCBerzerkeley

I simply want to unplug those, however don't want to take apart the entire rear roof liner to get to them!

If you want to unplug the cargo area roof speakers you can disconnect them in the passenger side panel next to the stock sub. Pop the panel off and there are connections for the left and right side roof speakers next to the sub.

[BenQ]

I bought the Pioneer speakers and i was working on the passenger side first. i am having difficulty removing the door panel. i unscrewed the two screws at the arm rest and the single screw that attached the plastic handle bezel. i went along and popped out all the clips that i could find. i popped our the black triangle peace at the corner of of the window. i did all this, only to find that it was still fixed to the door somehow. i still couldn't slide the door panel up enough to remove it from the door's topmost interior cross rail. so i approached this problem like i do most- i used more muscle. but i got the feeling like i was at the point of damaging something, so i stopped. my question to you is : is there a notoriously hard clip to reach or a trick to removing the front door panel? (yes...i know its probably been covered in countless threads so you can post me a link to the thread and make fun of me if you want. i will only cry a little bit)

and now for a more concerning question. i pulled the plugs on power unlock and power window switch from this passenger side door, now the window wont go up or down. the driver side control and passenger side control cant make this window work. the weather in Washington can be pretty wet so i would like it if i didn't have to cruise around with my window permadown. i could appreciate any help or give advise on this situation.

[Grench]

Originally Posted by BenQ

i unscrewed the two screws at the arm rest and the single screw that attached the plastic handle bezel.

Doesn't the arm rest have 3 screws? Two in the main portion then one at the top where the handle meets the door (hidden behind a little rectangle snap in piece)?