[lx450landcruiser]

alright just had a buddy order some for me and should have them next week, i ordered 6 of them so if some ones looking for them pm me and ill help you out.

[corsair23]

Originally Posted by hkl0000

Potestio Brothers Equipment
19020 Longs Way
Parker CO 80134
United States
3038412299

AFAIK the price at ALL JD outlets is now $23.99 or more per HIR, assuming they have them. The people I've talked to say that is the "system price" from JD. Maybe the demand slowed down and the prices are coming back down?

What is done is done now for me but maybe some others can still find a deal. I must have called 50 different JD dealers across the country, set up multiple JD accounts using different addresses in other states to search price and inventory, and nada. Can't believe they are $9.99 again in my own backyard

So, for all you still looking before buying off that guy on ebay I guess maybe you should search just a little more...

[corsair23]

Originally Posted by lx450landcruiser

alright just had a buddy order some for me and should have them next week, i ordered 6 of them so if some ones looking for them pm me and ill help you out.

Did you get them for $9.99 out of the Parker CO store? I think I'm going to need a stiff drink tonight

[corsair23]

Originally Posted by toylndcrusr

I have read through this thread and I am a little confussed. Could someone please post with which bulbs are for the hi beam and which are for the lows? I.e.:

High Beams: ___________
Low Beams: ___________

Thanks

Per the guy on ebay selling the HIRs (current auction - search for HIRs if current auction has ended when you're reading this):

High Beams: OEM is 9005 bulb | HIR is 9011 bulb
Low Beams: OEM is 9006 bulb | HIR is 9012 bulb


For those wondering, the bulbs from the guy on ebay come marked with where you need to notch the tabs for them to fit.

[lx450landcruiser]

well my source fell through he called me back today to tell me the original price he quoted was no longer possible and that the new price was $38.00 each

guess im back to the drawing board

[corsair23]

Originally Posted by lx450landcruiser

well my source fell through he called me back today to tell me the original price he quoted was no longer possible and that the new price was $38.00 each

guess im back to the drawing board

I feel vindicated

I understand you're frustration...You seem to find a sure lead and then it goes South. Many here on MUD have tried to help me source these bulbs in their local area but everytime the source (usually JD) suddenly realizes that the price has increased. Supply and demand thing I suppose...

Good luck on your search and if all else fails there is the guy on ebay. I was very impressed (and happy) with the transaction so I would reccommend him. Reasonable price (as of now anyway), quick ship (Priority Mail), and he isn't making a mint on shipping like some sellers (especially if you order 8 bulbs at the $5 shipping rate). IIRC the box showed $4.35 actual shipping cost for the 4 I purchased...

[supercarrera]

Originally Posted by corsair23

Good luck on your search and if all else fails there is the guy on ebay. I was very impressed (and happy) with the transaction so I would reccommend him. Reasonable price (as of now anyway), quick ship (Priority Mail), and he isn't making a mint on shipping like some sellers (especially if you order 8 bulbs at the $5 shipping rate). IIRC the box showed $4.35 actual shipping cost for the 4 I purchased...

X2

I just received mine from this guy yesterday. Very smooth transaction.

[BLACKGOLD]

I went to my local John Deere parts store...

$48.00 per bulb!!! DAMN!!! No way!!

I guess I missed the window on this upgrade.

[mot]

Does that come with Vaseline?

THAT is just insane!

[ktknaack]

picked up some from JD today... almost 30 each with the shipping to their store.

KK

[83bj60]

That's what happens when there is no competition for a captive market... There is absolutely NO TECHNICAL REASON why these bulbs should be more expensive, except for market pressures.

[redleg76]

What a rip off. I got mine 3 or 4 months ago, 12 each. I'll check tommrow to see if the local JD guy has got smart or not.

Mark

[BLACKGOLD]

Well...I did get the bulbs for ~$25.00 a piece...my family back home has a farm, and we use lots of JD equipment...my Father got his parts guy to get em for me.

[Arya Ebrahimi]

I bought mine a while ago and both burned out within a year. I loved the light, but I need them to last more than a year if I'm gonna pay $25+ for them.

I'll have to talk to my gf's dad who works for Sylvania and see if they make any HIR's that might be applicable. He gets bulbs for free

[borgweiller]

1. Tried car headlight options since 1975, Cibie fog and e-lights, silverstar lamps, sylvania extra lamps, and now 9012 JD replacement lamps in place of 9006 low beams on 2005 Toyota Corolla. Less than 5 minutes from using them on one side only, I found that the heat was excessive and was darkening the upper portion of the low beam reflector behind them. I believe continued use would lead to loss of brightness due to degradation of the reflector. Lighting has to be considered as a unit-not just the bulb-since an optimized reflector is every bit as important as the bulb. Summary:In my car this, bulb in the factory low beam unit, is too hot. I find that the Sylvania xtra 9006 is as hot as the factory unit can handle with long term reliability and continued good output. Of course the reflector is just aluminum coated plastic. Perhaps other type headlights could handle this HIR bulb but many new care units can not. Too bad. I would like to have had the extra low beam light.

[firetruck41]

Originally Posted by borgweiller

1. Tried car headlight options since 1975, Cibie fog and e-lights, silverstar lamps, sylvania extra lamps, and now 9012 JD replacement lamps in place of 9006 low beams on 2005 Toyota Corolla. Less than 5 minutes from using them on one side only, I found that the heat was excessive and was darkening the upper portion of the low beam reflector behind them. I believe continued use would lead to loss of brightness due to degradation of the reflector. Lighting has to be considered as a unit-not just the bulb-since an optimized reflector is every bit as important as the bulb. Summary:In my car this, bulb in the factory low beam unit, is too hot. I find that the Sylvania xtra 9006 is as hot as the factory unit can handle with long term reliability and continued good output. Of course the reflector is just aluminum coated plastic. Perhaps other type headlights could handle this HIR bulb but many new care units can not. Too bad. I would like to have had the extra low beam light.

That is strange, as it is the same wattage as the standard bulb, and is more efficient, my basic understanding of physics says that that should make the HIR run cooler than a standard bulb, but I have nothing to back it up.

[cary]

Originally Posted by borgweiller

1. Tried car headlight options since 1975, Cibie fog and e-lights, silverstar lamps, sylvania extra lamps, and now 9012 JD replacement lamps in place of 9006 low beams on 2005 Toyota Corolla. Less than 5 minutes from using them on one side only, I found that the heat was excessive and was darkening the upper portion of the low beam reflector behind them. I believe continued use would lead to loss of brightness due to degradation of the reflector. Lighting has to be considered as a unit-not just the bulb-since an optimized reflector is every bit as important as the bulb. Summary:In my car this, bulb in the factory low beam unit, is too hot. I find that the Sylvania xtra 9006 is as hot as the factory unit can handle with long term reliability and continued good output. Of course the reflector is just aluminum coated plastic. Perhaps other type headlights could handle this HIR bulb but many new care units can not. Too bad. I would like to have had the extra low beam light.

Sorry but BULLCRAP. The HIR lamp draws the same current and puts out the same amount of heat as the stock 9006 bulb and has the same focal length and focal point resulting in an identical lighting pattern.

[83bj60]

X2 . This is nonsense. HIR actually would reduce heat waste, as more of the IR is directed at the filament. Even with high wattage lamp, this is unlikely.

Although it is a useful warning for 2005 Corolla owners to test THEIR setup, it's pretty poor science to make a blanket statement in the 80 series Landcruiser tech forum based on one test with a vehicle that has nothing in common with the 80 series LC.

[SF80]

Originally Posted by borgweiller

1. Tried car headlight options since 1975, Cibie fog and e-lights, silverstar lamps, sylvania extra lamps, and now 9012 JD replacement lamps in place of 9006 low beams on 2005 Toyota Corolla. Less than 5 minutes from using them on one side only, I found that the heat was excessive and was darkening the upper portion of the low beam reflector behind them. I believe continued use would lead to loss of brightness due to degradation of the reflector. Lighting has to be considered as a unit-not just the bulb-since an optimized reflector is every bit as important as the bulb. Summary:In my car this, bulb in the factory low beam unit, is too hot. I find that the Sylvania xtra 9006 is as hot as the factory unit can handle with long term reliability and continued good output. Of course the reflector is just aluminum coated plastic. Perhaps other type headlights could handle this HIR bulb but many new care units can not. Too bad. I would like to have had the extra low beam light.

Ok, it looks like there are a BUNCH of MUDDERS that installed these bulbs months ago... Any feedback regarding heat, durability, popping out, etc?

Brian

[SF80]

Also, here is the latest price off of JD site:

31.24 USD/EA

moot point now?

Brian

[CruiserLegolas]

Well, I'm the one who felt ripped off that I bought bulbs at $24 each from the ebay guy when everyone else was getting them for $10 each.

That was a year ago and my bulbs are still going strong. I've driven about 12k miles since then, but I don't know how many at night.

So far, I've been real happy with the light pattern and white light produced from these bulbs. Definitely a step up from stock.

[IdahoDoug]

Borg is full of it. Sorry to be so judgemental, but aluminum reflectors don't 'darken' when overheated and this is an interesting first post that leads me to believe there's a motive. Troll?

DougM

[borgweiller]

I acknowledge that this post is primarily for mudder type vehicles. However, the internet is a useful tool for all to learn what may not be available elsewhere. I gave my honest and careful observations about my particular situation and clarified that this may not hold true for all cars. There are those such as me who would like to have increased nightime low beam vision when it is feasible. I do a lot of night time driving in traffic and bad weather and know the benefit of good lighting. Speculation and physics do not tell all. Testing is important. I took the time to post my observation/testing for those who might have a similar vehicle and might put these lamps in them only to suffer damage to the reflector and a worse result. It was not critical of the bulbs-only the application. I used the term darkened. What occurred was the beginning of discoloration from heat of a portion of the top center of the reflector immediately behind the bulb. I have not motive other than to be helpful by sharing my experience. I am 59 and not into playing games or putting out disinformation. If this information is useful to someone then I am glad to help. I think that a reasonable person viewing my caveats of the limited nature of this application would wonder if someone else who so quickly denigrated this post was the one having ulterior motives. I have not. Have a good day.

[borgweiller]

By the way, I got my bulbs for $25 each from a JD dealer in a small town nearby but he charged me $12 to ship them to me. I am saving these bulbs in the hopes that on another car or light I may have a more satisfactory result. In the last few years I have tried to stay away from auxiilliary lights since, even when they are legal, there are less than knowledgeable officer who sometimes stop cars using auxilliary lights in Texas. And some officer don't like to let you go unless they write a ticket for something. I don't need the hassle. I used to run auxilliary fog and driving lights on another vehicle and have been stopped like that.

[sjcruiser]

I have an 2006 Corolla and it has the HIRs for months now - no problem at all (and from what I know, it's not different from the earlier year).

[borgweiller]

I only installed the low beam HIRs. Did you put yours in the low beam side or the high beam side? I will check with the dealer to make absolutely sure that 2006 and 2005 have the same headlight modules. What is your voltage output at the end of the harness where it plugs into the back of the lamp? I will check mine and make sure that my voltage output is okay. If yours if working okay, perhaps mine is putting out too much voltage. I know that slight increases in voltage can affect the heat output of the lamps. If I can get it to work without further damage to my reflector, I would like to put the low beam 9012s back in and try again. Have you looked at the top center of your low beam reflectors for heat damage. The one I installed the HIR bulb in was significantly different from the Sylvanio xtra halogens on the other side. Thanks for making your post.

[borgweiller]

JC Whitney's catalog show that the CE and LE for both 2005 and 2006 have the same headlight module. But the S looks different. The only difference I see is it seems to have a smoked appearance on reflective part outside of the lamp area. I can't tell if it is structurally different than the CE or LE. I have the CE. I hope to have time to check the voltage tomorrow.

[83bj60]

I hope I did not irritate you, but I believe my asessment was correct. Some folks here have run high power standard halogens (90/100W and more) with no adverse effects except for suffering voltage drop whne they used the stock harness.

As for the darkening, I can see two interpretations fto explain the phenomenon you are experiencing:
1 - the reflector had a light coat of oily dust and the heat may be darkening it;
2 - the darkening you are looking at is simply a part of the reflector with a very thin aluminum coating (it is depositied under vacuum after all, so its thickness may vary).

If the reflector was indeed hurting from the heat, it would probbaly become cloudy first as the plastic would lose its glossy surface. Is that what you are seeing?

Anyway, don't feel bad about the criticism. I'm in your age group and this is a pretty loose bunch of people, some of whom don't mince their words much. This is NOTHING compared to the outageous stuff one can find in Chat. Cool, Man!

[borgweiller]

Thanks. I am fine. Just believed the need to reply precisely as extraneous comments without knowledge of another is in poor taste and does nothing to add to the post. I understand that others have said they have not had any problems. I try to err on the side of caution since I do not want to have to replace a reflector module if damage does occur. I plan to check the voltage the first part of this week first and then check out the reflector, Since the area or patina discoloration is not too far from the lamp insertion point, I may take a soft rag to see if the discoloration is superficial. The discoloration is similar to when a stainless steel pan is discolored from high heat. Kind of a patina color which could be similar to high heat when there is a light layer of oil. I will try to eliminate that possibility first. I also have noticed some separation of the aluminum coating at the back of the reflector, similar to the effect of oil based paint separating when applied to a surface that is not prepared properly. I do believe that the HIR bulb puts out somewhat more than the standard 9006 albeit not as much as the 100 watt bulb for sure. Probably the original design of the increase size of the globe in the HIR as compared to the 9006 was to help keep the increased heat of the filament from being transmitted outside the globe. I have wired lights with a relay and heavier gauge wiring before and am thankful that this 9012 bulb does not require it. Anyway, thanks for taking time to offer helpful ideas for me to consider. I will consider them.

[cary]

Originally Posted by borgweiller

Thanks. I am fine. Just believed the need to reply precisely as extraneous comments without knowledge of another is in poor taste and does nothing to add to the post. I understand that others have said they have not had any problems. I try to err on the side of caution since I do not want to have to replace a reflector module if damage does occur. I plan to check the voltage the first part of this week first and then check out the reflector, Since the area or patina discoloration is not too far from the lamp insertion point, I may take a soft rag to see if the discoloration is superficial. The discoloration is similar to when a stainless steel pan is discolored from high heat. Kind of a patina color which could be similar to high heat when there is a light layer of oil. I will try to eliminate that possibility first. I also have noticed some separation of the aluminum coating at the back of the reflector, similar to the effect of oil based paint separating when applied to a surface that is not prepared properly. I do believe that the HIR bulb puts out somewhat more than the standard 9006 albeit not as much as the 100 watt bulb for sure. Probably the original design of the increase size of the globe in the HIR as compared to the 9006 was to help keep the increased heat of the filament from being transmitted outside the globe. I have wired lights with a relay and heavier gauge wiring before and am thankful that this 9012 bulb does not require it. Anyway, thanks for taking time to offer helpful ideas for me to consider. I will consider them.

The HIR lamp uses a proprietary reflective coating to help the filament stay hotter and hence put out more light than a regular incandescent bulb or halogen bulb. The design was originally developed by GE with Toshiba/Harrison making some improvements (the current bulbs). Current draw is identical to the 9006 bulb which means there should be less heat output (it either comes out as light or heat, and when more light comes out for the same current input, that means less heat). I have to wonder if you in perhaps had a defective bulb.