[Grench]

OK, So I just picked up my order of these from the John Deere dealer. I bought 12 for under $10 per bulb.

I got curious about what these were supposed to go into and the gentleman behind the counter was very helpful despite it being 5 minutes to quitting time. He made me a printout of the light housing from the PC2800 9450 self-propelled combine. It looks like it may be adaptable. The lenses are available in 'lens' or 'floodlamp' versions for the center and outside lenses.

Why would I even consider this? They're rectangular. If the picture is to scale they're about 5" wide and 3" tall. They're $14 each for the lenses. I would still have to engineer a mounting adapter for them.

I'm thinking about buying 1 of each and playing a bit after Christmas.

Oh, and if anyone beats me to it... They're part numbers:
AH159333 - Center
AH159332 - Floodlamp
H130299 - Compression spring (3 per lamp)
H130298 - Screw (3 per lamp)
H132900 - Retainer
AH211917 - Bulb (But then, if you're reading this, you know that.)

[kennyv0826]

I think I am gonna do the JD bulb upgrad but what is the deal with putting a high beam bulb in the low beams? Some people say this is even better and dosent cause problems with other drivers on the road.

Any input on this?

[flintknapper]

Ordered mine yesterday, should be in today. $9.99 each from my local dealer.

I'll do the Slee upgrade later, too many irons in the fire right now.

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by kennyv0826

I think I am gonna do the JD bulb upgrad but what is the deal with putting a high beam bulb in the low beams? Some people say this is even better and dosent cause problems with other drivers on the road.

Any input on this?

IIRC, only 1 member here in the 'Mud 80-Section has done this and he reported that he got "flashed" the first day but he hasn't been "flashed" since. I take this as a sample size of 1.

My reasons for not putting high-beam HIR bulbs in the low beams (and I'm in that age group that needs more light) are:
* It is illegal
* Blinding oncoming traffic is unacceptable behaviour
* 100w bulbs are not designed for continuous duty
* Danger (albeit minor) of overheating the wiring system
* I wouldn't want someone like me being the one blinded in a curve on a 2-lane highway.

If I need more light at night, I'll turn on my high beams and my driving lights when traffic conditions permit. I would also consider putting 100w bulbs in the high beams because I can turn those off at night when traffic approaches.

-B-

[firetruck41]

Originally Posted by Beowulf

IIRC, only 1 member here in the 'Mud 80-Section has done this and he reported that he got "flashed" the first day but he hasn't been "flashed" since. I take this as a sample size of 1.

My reasons for not putting high-beam HIR bulbs in the low beams (and I'm in that age group that needs more light) are:
* It is illegal
* Blinding oncoming traffic is unacceptable behaviour
* 100w bulbs are not designed for continuous duty
* Danger (albeit minor) of overheating the wiring system
* I wouldn't want someone like me being the one blinded in a curve on a 2-lane highway.

If I need more light at night, I'll turn on my high beams and my driving lights when traffic conditions permit. I would also consider putting 100w bulbs in the high beams because I can turn those off at night when traffic approaches.

-B-

I think you missed the most important reason, the low beam HIRs work great!

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by firetruck41

I think you missed the most important reason, the low beam HIRs work great!

And this is 100% correct. I got in on the 1st Group Buy and the HIR low beams are excellent.

-B-

[Romer]

Just ordered 4 from my local dealer. He said no one has ever ordered them either. Will get them on Friday.

[cary]

Originally Posted by Beowulf

My reasons for not putting high-beam HIR bulbs in the low beams (and I'm in that age group that needs more light) are:
* 100w bulbs are not designed for continuous duty
* Danger (albeit minor) of overheating the wiring system
I would also consider putting 100w bulbs in the high beams because I can turn those off at night when traffic approaches.

-B-

Without commenting on the ethics and legality of running 9011 HIR bulbs (the high beam replacement for 9005 bulbs), it is important to clarify a couple of factual errors.

The 9011 HIR is a 65 watt bulb, not a 100 watt. The 100 watt bulbs are the crappy 9005 high watt replacements that last about 5 minutes. These are no longer carried by higher end places (like rallylights.com) because the 9011 puts out the same output and lasts much longer.

There is no chance of overheating the wiring harness with the HIR lamps. The HIR bulbs draw the same current (55 watts for the 9012, 65watts for the 9011) as the 9006 and 9005 bulbs they are replacing. Even when doing a high beam swap to low beam (9006 to 9011) you are still only drawing an additional 10 watts, or about 15% more energy.

Finally, many people seem to not be catching, the JD bulbs only work in the low beams. If you want a high beam HIR (ala 9011 HIR) you will have to purchase them elsewhere. When in doubt read the FAQ, all this information is in there.

[bderks]

I ordered them last Monday from a local JD dealer (Vanwall) and picked them up on Wednesday. $10.49 per bulp. Mine were also marked as "Made in Japan".

I installed them on Thursday, after modifying the tabs with a Dremel tool. Took about 5 minutes total.

There is definitely a difference - I would say they are almost as bright as high beams, but don't "reach" out as far. Good mod!

[Romer]

Originally Posted by cary

Finally, many people seem to not be catching, the JD bulbs only work in the low beams. If you want a high beam HIR (ala 9011 HIR) you will have to purchase them elsewhere. When in doubt read the FAQ, all this information is in there.

Just in case you got that impression from me, I have two trucks.


The FAQ writeup is excellent. You did a great job on that back on 04, man those were the golden years

[lagwagon]

I put them in this weekend before my trip to Tahoe. They give you a lot more light and safety and are still not as bright or blinding as projection lights. When you are in traffic and cannot run the high beams you can see quite well on the curvy roads. Nobody has flashed me or flipped me off yet!

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by cary

Without commenting on the ethics and legality of running 9011 HIR bulbs (the high beam replacement for 9005 bulbs), it is important to clarify a couple of factual errors.

Cary,
I was confusing/equating the 100w bulbs with the 9011 (hi-beam) HIR bulbs. That was my error as I thought they were one in the same.

Are the 9011 hi-beam HIR bulbs designed for continuous use (ie as low beam bulbs)?

-B-

[Rookie2]

Originally Posted by cary

The 9011 HIR is a 65 watt bulb, not a 100 watt. The 100 watt bulbs are the crappy 9005 high watt replacements that last about 5 minutes.

For what it's worth, my 100W hella high beams have been in for over two years now. The 80W low beams blew around 15 months.

I'll be ordering the HIR lows from a local dealer soon.

[cary]

Originally Posted by Rookie2

For what it's worth, my 100W hella high beams have been in for over two years now. The 80W low beams blew around 15 months.

I'll be ordering the HIR lows from a local dealer soon.

Either you don't drive at night much, or Hella sent you some screwed up bulbs. You better pull them and send them back to hella asap because you have set a record for the life of those things. Maybe they could then reverse engineer the damm things to work from the ones you have. Myself, I never got more than a month or two.

[cary]

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Cary,
I was confusing/equating the 100w bulbs with the 9011 (hi-beam) HIR bulbs. That was my error as I thought they were one in the same.

Are the 9011 hi-beam HIR bulbs designed for continuous use (ie as low beam bulbs)?

-B-

There is no reason that the 9011 HIR can't be used continuously, as high beams are designed to be used that way. They do have a shorter rated life, 230 hours (they used to be 350) vs. 1000 for the 9012, but that is still far higher than overwatt bulbs. Also, if you look at an H1 bulb, which is used for many auto headlamps applications (the LX 470 low beams for example), it is rated at 350 hours for the standard output 55 watt bulb and 150 for the 100 watt overwatt bulb.

So in short, they can be used and the life expectancy would not be out of line of other lamps used in low beams.

[Rookie2]

Originally Posted by cary

Myself, I never got more than a month or two.

I'm thinking it's a lot like brake pads and gas mileage... where longevity depends a lot on the operator. You must be flicking your's wrong .

[Beowulf]

I purchased 2 Hella 100w (Korean) hi-beams on the first Group Buy and had 1 that blew in the first 10 minutes of use. Replaced it with a stock Hi-beam bulb. The other 100w Korean Hella has been in there this whole time. (~2 yrs?) Admittedly, I seldom drive at night, and use the high beams very rarely.

The HIR low beams rock!

-B-

[flintknapper]

Originally Posted by bderks

I ordered them last Monday from a local JD dealer (Vanwall) and picked them up on Wednesday. $10.49 per bulp. Mine were also marked as "Made in Japan".

I installed them on Thursday, after modifying the tabs with a Dremel tool. Took about 5 minutes total.

There is definitely a difference - I would say they are almost as bright as high beams, but don't "reach" out as far. Good mod!

Mine came in today, $9.99 each made in Japan (Toshiba). Will get them put in this weekend. Guess I'll figure out the "trimming" thing.

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by flintknapper

Guess I'll figure out the "trimming" thing.

That should take you all of 4 seconds.
-B-

[treerootCO]

High beam HIRs, 9011, came stock in the Avalanche, Viper and a few more. They are available from the GM dealer, Part #15094219. They are about 18.00 each. I didn't see that anyone had posted that yet but I may have missed it.

[firetruck41]

Originally Posted by treerootCO

High beam HIRs, 9011, came stock in the Avalanche, Viper and a few more. They are available from the GM dealer, Part #15094219. They are about 18.00 each. I didn't see that anyone had posted that yet but I may have missed it.

Just double checking, but you are sure they are HIR? It has been mentioned that there are "regular", non-HIR bulbs, that are designated 9011.

[treerootCO]

I will find out shortly when they arrive.

[firetruck41]

Originally Posted by treerootCO

I will find out shortly when they arrive.

Thanks, let us know.

[landtoy80]

What JD farm equip. did is the bulbs for, combine??

I wonder what JD QC thinks is going on? There is a small surge in the sales of that
type of bulb ( if its not a common piece of equip). As many say the dealer never ordered that bulb.

Do they think they got a bad batch of bulbs?
Could the switch to China bulbs be a QC reason thinking that the Japan plant was not making bulbs that lasted

[firetruck41]

Originally Posted by landtoy80

What JD farm equip. did is the bulbs for, combine??

I wonder what JD QC thinks is going on? There is a small surge in the sales of that
type of bulb ( if its not a common piece of equip). As many say the dealer never ordered that bulb.

Do they think they got a bad batch of bulbs?
Could the switch to China bulbs be a QC reason thinking that the Japan plant was not making bulbs that lasted

According to someone(?), Toshiba no longer has a plant making HIRs in Japan, so all future Toshiba HIRs are from China.

[cary]

Originally Posted by treerootCO

High beam HIRs, 9011, came stock in the Avalanche, Viper and a few more. They are available from the GM dealer, Part #15094219. They are about 18.00 each. I didn't see that anyone had posted that yet but I may have missed it.

Sorry but these are not an HIR, these are 9011 non HIR bulb. How do I know? Before we did the first group buy, I went and personally checked these out in hopes of saving everyone nearly 50%. When you look at them you will see they look just like a 9005 (with the exception of the tabs) and lack the HIR coating that reflects the heat back to the filiment.

[cary]

Here are some comments from Daniel Stern about manufactures "cheating" on the HIR bit.

"GE introduced the 9011 and 9012 (HIR1 and HIR2) bulbs in the late 1990s, and discontinued them approximately 18 months ago, though they still appear in the '03 GE catalogue. Several automakers got rather badly burned on that product -- GE had a good idea, and they had the experience with infrared-reflective technology from some of their architectural and utility lighting, but the form factor they chose for their 9011 and 9012 was mechanically very fragile. It was a long, spindly glass tube with an external support wire, looking very much like an automotive HID bulb. With normal road vibrations, the bulb broke at the glass-to-base junction an uncomfortably large percentage
of the time, and all parties involved got rather angry with one
another. Hence the discontinuation.

(Philips saw this writing on the wall as soon as they saw GE's HIR
bulbs, about which more below -- I cannot figure out why GE's
normally-sharp engineers fumbled this one!)

There've been a few copycat Chinese/Korean products on the market -- as usual, not worth messing with.

The only current OE-certified manufacturer of 9011 and 9012 is Toshiba of Japan, and those are the bulbs we have. They do not have GE's fragile construction nor Philips "kinda sorta not really" compromise. They have the spherical bulb glass with the infrared-reflective coating, but are otherwise practically identical to 9005 and 9006 in all critical dimensions (with the obvious exception of the one plastic base tab which must be filed down in order to use these bulbs where 9005 and 9006 were originally specified). The overall length of the Toshiba HIR1 and HiR2 bulbs is identical to 9005 and 9006, so there are none of the "Tough luck, too long, won't fit" problems often encountered with the discontinued GE product.

Now, what about that "kinda sorta not really" Philips HIR1?

HIR means "Halogen Infrared", which refers to the heat-reflective
construction and technology discussed at
http://www.bmwz.org/articles/lighting/0506trick/ . General Electric (GE) originally designed these bulbs as discussed above. All automotive headlamp bulbs are given an official designator by the US DOT when they are first approved for use in headlamps, but at the time these bulbs were developed the DOT was still assigning *two* different designators to each new bulb. (Examples: 9004/HB1, 9005/HB3, 9006/HB4, 9007/HB5,
etc.). The two designators for the low beam are 9012/HIR2, and for the high beam 9011/HIR1. However, the technical specs for any bulb type contain performance requirements for minimum/maximum allowable light output, electrical power consumption and mechanical dimensions only. The specs do not say how these minimum and maximum specs must be met.

In response to Chrysler's use of the fragile GE 9011 (HIR1) in the high beam of the Viper, Philips added a replacement product to their line. They first displayed it in their booth at the 2000 Automotive Aftermarket Parts Exchange show in Las Vegas, at which time their product manager told me "We didn't want to pay GE a royalty or tool up for different bulb glass, but we wanted to serve the replacement market, so we just basically put together this bulb with a maximum-legal-wattage 9005 filament, overdriven to get the minimum allowable lumens for type 9011. Life isn't optimal, but our bulb costs less to make and we probably won't make it for very long." Remember,
this kind of bulb is called a 9011/HIR1 because that's its type
designator, not necessarily because it uses any particular technology (such as HIR) to produce its light. Philips took the quick 'n' eas way out on this one. The bulb isn't *bad*, but it's not an HIR bulb.

Here are the figures to ponder:
9005's light output spec is 1700 lumens, +/- 12% at 12.8v, maximum 70
watts.
9011's light output spec is 2300 lumens, +/- 15% at 12.8v, maximum 70
watts.

So, the allowable range for 9005 is 1496 to 1904 lumens, while the allowable range for 9011 is 1955 to 2645. (Remember that the nominal wattage is just that -- actual wattage is specified in the regulation. All legal 9005s and 9011s are "65 watt" nominal and are actually
allowed to draw up to 70w). It's easy to see how by just selecting the highest-wattage 9005 filaments and overdriving them a little, Philips is able to put together their 9011 bulb. It'll produce the low end of allowable lighting, consume at the high end of allowable wattage and life will be very short, but it'll be a legal 9011. There are no gold stars on any Federal refrigerator for bulbs that are better than they have to be; there are just two kinds: legal and illegal. And even then, illegal bulbs are all over the place, even from reputable manufacturers. The DOT practically never checks.

We look forward to meeting your lighting needs quickly and efficiently!

Daniel Stern
Candlepower, Inc.""

[cary]

Finally, here is a great link from the crazy Suburu guys over on NASOIC. Take a look at the 9011 HIR bulb to see what it will look like. Remember, only one company makes the HIR bulbs, that is Toshiba/Harrison, so they will all look the same. It could be possible that Chevy is finally selling them.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=954736

[mot]

cary,

Do you have a framed, autographed picture of Daniel Stern on your living room wall?

[cary]

Originally Posted by mot

cary,

Do you have a framed, autographed picture of Daniel Stern on your living room wall?

No, but I have a framed layout of him from Playgirl holding a Hella 4000 in one hand and an HIR bulb in the other.


The reason he I cite him is that he has accurate information and understands what is going on. That and the fact that when you do a google search his posts pop up regularly like the one I cited above.