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grown up MOD
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FAQ addition: Dual Battery Set-Ups
Ok were gonna stick this for a week and then proceed to clean it up a little if necessary and put it in the FAQ as previously mentioned.
So without further ado..... >Post up You Dual Battery Solutions/Set-Ups >Parts where you got them >How you went about installing the system (step by step if possible) >Anything else someone would need to know to repeat the process >Pictures are a MUST!!! Please keep the chat to a minimum and only relating to someones clarification if necessary in regards to a solution involving there system. Thank you, Management (reffug & Romer) __________________ "If it wasn't a Landcruiser and hadn't been built the way it was you do realize you would be DEAD." VA State Police Officer |
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...should be studying
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 2,566
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IPOR(ironpigoffroad.com) Dual Battery System.
- Washer Relocator Bracket. - Surepower battery seperator. - O.E. 2nd battery tray - All necc. 2ga and 14ga. wire - Mil-spec terminals - Battery hold down bracket with different j-hooks for optima All parts included in one kit, pre terminated, crimped, and heat shrunk. Straight forward installation: Connecting both batteries, ground new battery at vehicle body and frame. Tap into 12V signal from the cruise control under dash for SurePower battery seperator. Kit also includes extra 14ga. wire for dash mounted LED to show when self-jump is activated. No 4-way marine switch neccesary b/c seperator has ECU to control the batteries although a switch can easely be added. Cost- $500 + 2nd battery of choice Last edited by Cruiserhead05; 02-28-06 at 02:02 PM. |
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Pursuance of Vacuity
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 348
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Can we get you folks to give an estimate on the cost of this mod overall? How much cash are we looking at here with the premade kits vs do it yourself??
M __________________ 1993 FJZ80 205k, Stockish, for sale! http://forum.ih8mud.com/vehicles-tra...246-000-a.html 1999 Tacoma 4x4 V6 TRD, 115k |
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The quick brown fox .....
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Somewhere in the foothills...
Posts: 10,211
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Marshall,
We don't like to talk about how much things cost. Ya never know when the CFO might be reading these posts. -B- __________________ 97 FZJ80 - Wing Nut MAF, locked, 315 Toyos, 4.88s, Slee 4", George's sliders, Slee bumpers, M12000, OBA, Outback drawers + other stuff. Transformation in progress... Sometimes you find yourself in the middle of nowhere. And sometimes in the middle of nowhere, you find yourself. |
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KI6MIE
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This is a year old but details the Hellroaring system:
http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.p...t=dual+battery Cost info: Hellroaring Parts-----$250 D31M Optima-------$200 Wire/Cable----------$80 approx I still run the same system. Absolutely no issues from day 1. __________________ Andrew 1971 FJ-40 Rubicon tested 1976 FJ40 RIP 1984 FJ-60 H55f, 4.11, OME, Daily Driver 1989 FJ-62 117k-son's driver for now. 1997 FZJ-80 Factory sub-tank, and other tricks |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Ithaca, New York
Posts: 1,816
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Ken & Reffug, it'd be pretty nice (as well as respectful to one of the pioneers) to link up George Scolaro's website detailing his install (http://george4wd.taskled.com/auxbat.html). It has the Toyota parts numbers right off the top for the tray and battery hold down which would allow folks to call Dan up and get the ball rolling quickly. His "do it yourself" management system works great too. This is what I've got and his washer bottle re-locater with the Corolla bottle allows you to have the dual batteries and a s/c or t/c.
This is an exceptionally crummy photo but it shows the relocated washer bottle that George developed. __________________ Mike R. hmmm....nuthin' Answer a fool according to his own folly. Last edited by clownmidget; 04-02-07 at 11:45 AM. |
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IH8MUD Rookie
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My dual-batt setup consists of the following (see more details on my ROTW):
Hellroaring Isolator Optima Blue Top in primary battery position Slee washer bottle relocation kit Factory battery tray (for earlier FJ 80) for passenger side Mean Green "Hi Output" Alternator I went with the Optima blue top for its deep cycle / starting capabiltiy and for its terminal configuration (top posts and marine accessory posts). The isolator is mounted on an open/flat spot high up on the firewall. The second battery gets very little use (only emergency starting when the primary batt is low) so any standard starting battery will work fine. The Hellroaring isolator works GREAT. I would do the exact same setup again. The isolator is totally automatic and the LED indicator light gives you instant diagnostics of your charging system at all times. If the light goes out when the motor is running, you are exceeding your alternator output (either due to high load ie winching, lights, etc or an alternator problem) and the isolator has separated the batteries to protect your 2nd battery. The Mean Green alternator on the other hand is a complete waste of money. It does NOT put out any more current than the factory alternator. That company completely LIES on their spec sheet and should be ashamed of themselves Overall, the dual battery system is a must have. With an automatic transmission, if you accidently run the battery down (or have an alternator problem) out in the middle of nowhere, your gonna be walkin'! __________________ '95 FZJ80, OME lift, BFG MT 33's, Factory Lockers, ARB w/ Warn 12K front, Kaymar rear, Slee sliders, dual batts, custom drawers, full roof rack and a couple of lights! ROTW |
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Ability follows Interest
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I refreshed the pics in this post from a wile ago.
http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/35679-dual-battery-w-pic%92s-verbose-post385788.html __________________ 1988 FJ62 on 33s 1996 LX450 on 33s |
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When In Doubt, Go Higher!
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Port of Indecision...otherwise Northern Arizona
Posts: 2,051
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Since mine's a 1992, I had to do things a bit differently....
I used an Optima Blue top marine battery and a simple isolator. Very simple set up, with the accessory battery located in the rear cargo compartment. 4ga. battery cable runs between the isolator in the engine bay and the accessory battery. Works great! -H- __________________ 2003 BMW R1150GS Adventure 1983 FJ45 Troopy KE7TYL ...and then there is always Mexico.... |
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When In Doubt, Go Higher!
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Port of Indecision...otherwise Northern Arizona
Posts: 2,051
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A couple more pics.
-H- __________________ 2003 BMW R1150GS Adventure 1983 FJ45 Troopy KE7TYL ...and then there is always Mexico.... |
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Kneel for the Shaman
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Here is another good discussion on Dual Battery Systems:
http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/85280-simple-dual-battery-approach.html |
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IH8MUD Lifer - No Appeal
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,513
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There was an exhaustive discussion of this topic in Outfitting about 6 or 9 months ago. Pages and pages of methods, pictures, philosophy, and some BS.
Search is your pal. M __________________ '96 FZJ80, locked, Hanna sliders, ARB bumper, Kaymar rear with spare carrier, 45 gallon Longranger aux fuel tank, OBA, Hella 4000's, OME lift, 285/75/R16 Revos & AutoHome Maggiolina rooftop tent, etc. Custom Cruiser trailer with OverLand tent www.AutoHomeUS.com TLCA Member #14874 |
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Oz TUTer
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Maryborough, QLD, Aust.
Posts: 1,014
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I fitted my 80 with a ARB dual battery kit. The kit came with a battery tray, solenoid and wiring. The wiring was only about 6mm from memory but was sufficient while the only accessories were the fridge,rock lights and fluros. After I got my winch I upgraded to 32mm wire (2B&S). As my 80 has a 1HZ I don't have to worry about the ECM so the solenoid is fine. The solenoid is fitted with a diode. I asked an autoelec mate and he said this helps prevent surges while the solenoid is switching. The battery is a Trojan deep cycle and have found it to handle dual battery duties admirably. As I have a 35min each way commute to work every day I can run my fridge 24/7 with out having to worry about the batteries.
__________________ 90 HZJ80 GXL, DTS turbo, 285/75R16 MTR's, 4" OME, Safari snorkel, ARB airlocker, ARB bullbar, 9500lb winch, ARB dual pivot rear bar, 39L Engel, water tank, dual batts, sliding drawers, cargo barrier, underbonnet shower, laptop, GPS, oziexplorer, etc.... 99 HZJ105R GXL, alloy bullbar, Safari snorkel, more to come.....watch this space.......... |
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IH8MUD Lifer
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Here is a link to the details of mine:
http://www.yankeetoys.org/mangler/dualbats.htm Here it is in a nutshell:
__________________ Baja Overland www.bajaoverland.com 2006 XR650L TLCA #9060 Own a Land Cruiser? Join TLCA Today @ www.tlca.org |
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Kneel for the Shaman
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4dmalamute's setup from this thread http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/88996-i-finished-dual-battery-set-up.html
I will copy it here for completeness Quote:
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IH8MUD Lifer
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My Painless Wiring Install is here
__________________ Houston, TX 1997 FZJ-80, factory lockers, OEM 13L subtank, OME-Js, BFG's, ARB, dual batteries, rear seat DVD. M416 offroad trailer in the works. Lone Star Land Cruisers |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,142
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Here's one more approach.
This is a custom marine based system, and includes a description of what I did to relocate the resonator/silencer instead of removing it: http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/93130-my-dual-battery-setup.html T. __________________ 1994 FZJ80 - Original Owner, dual battery, 2.5" OME Heavy/Medium, 295/75/16 Terra Grapplers, Slee front and rear bumpers, dimmable Lightforce 170s, Hanna Sliders, Slee transfer case skid plate, Warn 9.5XP, LED interior lights, Slee interior spare tire carrier, yellow box, orange dot mod 2006 LX470 - Original Owner, Daily Drive, no mods |
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Kneel for the Shaman
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Here is a Sure Power Set-up that is posted in the following link:
http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/94148-my-surepower-dual-battery-install.html Quote:
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Kneel for the Shaman
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There are a lot of good choices for a Dual Battery Systems. I debated between them in this thread
http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/93700-dual-battery-controller-choices-decisions-decisions.html I almost went with the painless because I liked the manual configuration. I also wanted to run my accessories of the backup. I decided on the Hellroaring system from: http://www.hellroaring.com/ You get the same manual configuration capability with the other systems, PLUS you get the automatic protection capability. I decided to follow the advice of the manufacturer and have all the accessories run off the main. This meant I needed a deep cycle main battery. So, I am running a Optima Yellow Top for my main battery and an Orbital for my back-up battery. I used Cruiserdrews technique and installed the unit and the ground fuse on the backside of the battery tray. I do plan on covering the terminals and battery posts better. I made one modification to the Hellroaring system not posted here. I took out a cover plate for the a dash "Spare Slot" and drilled two holes. I then took apart the remote case that came with the unit (Optional purchase) and installed the switch and led in the cover plate. This integrated the switch and led into the dash, rather than having the remote box attached somewhere. |
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KI6MIE
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I like the way you did the switch/led in the cab. I may copy that with your permission! Looks like a clean install.
__________________ Andrew 1971 FJ-40 Rubicon tested 1976 FJ40 RIP 1984 FJ-60 H55f, 4.11, OME, Daily Driver 1989 FJ-62 117k-son's driver for now. 1997 FZJ-80 Factory sub-tank, and other tricks |
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The quick brown fox .....
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Somewhere in the foothills...
Posts: 10,211
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Nicely done Ken. As I mentioned in another thread, I also copied CruiserDrew's Hellroaring install.
It meets all the criteria... Exceptionally low voltage loss, automatic, easy to operate and much, much cheaper than the "perfect" alternative that I won't mention. The owner of Hellroaring is a guy named Mike and he is also who I spoke with when asking questions. He is knowledgeable and not pushy at all. All in all, this is a great alternative for those seeking an inexpensive and bullet-proof dual battery system. Just follow Andrew's install notes and you'll be good to go. He even gives cable lengths, wire sizes, and sources for all the bits and pieces. -B- __________________ 97 FZJ80 - Wing Nut MAF, locked, 315 Toyos, 4.88s, Slee 4", George's sliders, Slee bumpers, M12000, OBA, Outback drawers + other stuff. Transformation in progress... Sometimes you find yourself in the middle of nowhere. And sometimes in the middle of nowhere, you find yourself. Last edited by Beowulf; 05-29-06 at 09:30 AM. |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Reno
Posts: 4,787
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Hey B...I know you still have a burr over the whole Powergate pre-sales info thing but I gotta tell ya mine works great. Yes it costs a little more but it's significantly smaller (which has made a difference in my engine bay with everything I have stuffed in there) and virtually no heat-up...which tells me the darn thing is working pretty efficiently and no mechanical connections (other than the battery cables of course
)Just another perspective... __________________ Modded '99 for overlanding/exploring: 35's, 4.88's, AO drawers, Slee rr, TJM fr, ARB fr locker, ear candy, Waeco CF-50, PowerGate with 2nd battery, home brew sliders & t-case skid plate, 9.5XP/X-line, LF 170's, OEM 864's, Foxes x 4, 12mm BL, Carl's UCAs, ... KE7NCM |
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