You makes a good gear reduction starter

cruiser88 · 11-07-09, 10:36 AM

for our mini trucks? Mean Green dont seem to list anything but Cruiser.

I have seen plenty of high out put alternators on Ebay

Downey · 11-07-09, 10:55 AM

AA tried several different brand names, but all were poo-poo. They finally ended up with a brand that was good, Master something or other?? Check their website to see what they are selling>

cruiser88 · 11-07-09, 11:13 AM

thank you, I will check it out

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AA tried several different brand names, but all were poo-poo. They finally ended up with a brand that was good, Master something or other?? Check their website to see what they are selling>

raydouble · 11-07-09, 11:17 AM

What's wrong with your denso starter?

cruiser88 · 11-07-09, 11:22 AM

I want a gear reduction starter....other than it being old,big,heavy,sucks the current nothing

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Originally Posted by raydouble

What's wrong with your denso starter?

cruiser88 · 11-07-09, 11:25 AM

looks like Bosch may sell one at Napa........will have to check it out

cruiser88 · 11-07-09, 11:31 AM

I dont think offset gear reduction would help much.damn......

just stick with Denso for now

NAPAONLINE

Tools R Us · 11-07-09, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiser88

I want a gear reduction starter....other than it being old,big,heavy,sucks the current nothing

What year is your rig? I thought all of the mini starters were Denso gear reduction? In my experience they are very efficient and reliable, simply take them apart, replace the contacts, clean and grease the bearings and they last pretty much forever. IIRC there are at least 3 types for the 20R series, the normal one, and two higher amp units that are for colder and arctic conditions, 1.0KW, 1.4KW and 1.8KW maybe?

cruiser88 · 11-07-09, 02:19 PM

I dont know that much about the mini truck ones. Currently I need a new starter and was thinking of an upgrade. I was thinking Mean Green cause they are so nice and compact but they dont seem to make one for our trucks.

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Originally Posted by Tools R Us

What year is your rig? I thought all of the mini starters were Denso gear reduction? In my experience they are very efficient and reliable, simply take them apart, replace the contacts, clean and grease the bearings and they last pretty much forever. IIRC there are at least 3 types for the 20R series, the normal one, and two higher amp units that are for colder and arctic conditions, 1.0KW, 1.4KW and 1.8KW maybe?

raydouble · 11-07-09, 02:20 PM

Don't you have like 300,000 miles on that beast?

Had you ever had the starter off for contacts/cleaning?

Do you <3 Mud?

cruiser88 · 11-07-09, 02:22 PM

I think the starter on this rig is an Advance Auto crap special rebuilt unit.

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Originally Posted by raydouble

Don't you have like 300,000 miles on that beast?

Had you ever had the starter off for contacts/cleaning?

Do you <3 Mud?

raydouble · 11-07-09, 02:24 PM

Yours draws a lot of current?

cruiser88 · 11-07-09, 02:27 PM

yea.......I am getting ready to pull it . If it was not molested by the Chinese or whoever rebuilt it I would repair it. That and I think I need to update some wiring

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Yours draws a lot of current?

raydouble · 11-07-09, 02:46 PM

For the price of that mean green starter you could have bought a new one from Toyota. :2 cents:

Tools R Us · 11-08-09, 09:37 AM

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For the price of that mean green starter you could have bought a new one from Toyota. :2 cents:

X2.

I don't have any mean green starter experience, but have worked on a couple of their alternators. Look to be rebuilt stock units, lots of hype, claims huge output gains, when run on a tester have never seen much if any more output than a good working stock unit. IMHO, $$$, hype, cool green paint, little performance.

If you have a hard to turn motor (high compression, etc) source a stronger Denso starter. If you need more alternator output swap to a later higher output, like off of a MR2.

cruiser88 · 11-08-09, 06:04 PM

what year MR2 will work on my 84............I have been looking at a few and did not know what years will fit. My rig has an external regulater.

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X2.

I don't have any mean green starter experience, but have worked on a couple of their alternators. Look to be rebuilt stock units, lots of hype, claims huge output gains, when run on a tester have never seen much if any more output than a good working stock unit. IMHO, $$$, hype, cool green paint, little performance.

If you have a hard to turn motor (high compression, etc) source a stronger Denso starter. If you need more alternator output swap to a later higher output, like off of a MR2.

Tools R Us · 11-10-09, 02:19 PM

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what year MR2 will work on my 84............I have been looking at a few and did not know what years will fit. ...

Most any later alternators can be made to fit, with varying amounts of work. The one we used was from a MR2 with power steering, the pump is electric, so the alternator is high output, 100amp? It's a small alternator with good output, but relatively rare, so some of the other higher output ones maybe a better choice.

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... My rig has an external regulater.

IIRC the external reg alternators are only 40amp. The later 22R internal regulator alternators are 60amp and are a relatively easy swap. They bolt on, the wiring mods are relatively simple, the plug needs to be changed to the later type and the regulator wiring eliminated.

KLF · 11-10-09, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools R Us

IIRC the external reg alternators are only 40amp. The later 22R internal regulator alternators are 60amp...

This is true.

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and are a relatively easy swap. They bolt on, the wiring mods are relatively simple, the plug needs to be changed to the later type and the regulator wiring eliminated.

This is not.

I swapped the old external regulater-type alternator out of my '84 for the newer style. It was more work than I expected, but really not too bad. You have to swap the bottom pivot bracket, the one that bolts to the side of the engine at the engine mount, they are very different. I seem to remember I have one of the newer style brackets in my parts pile, let me know if you need it, I'll look for it. The entire alternator harness has to get changed, and the large white wire that goes from the alternator output stud to the battery has to be upgraded, the stock one is too small, it will melt if you ever get the new alternator up to maximum output.

Tools R Us · 11-10-09, 10:44 PM

I guess "relatively easy" is too subjective? It bolts on, unlike many alt swaps where brackets need to be fabricated. Yes, wiring is required, compared to making a harness for a buggy it's simple. If your the type who breaks out in sweat at the thought of comparing wiring diagrams and splicing/crimping wires, probably best off just replacing it with another stocker!