issue with cv boot replace...

alteredraptor · 08-29-09, 12:06 AM

i have an 87 runner... stock suspension... i got to the point where its all taken apart... but im stuck at getting the freakin thing out... and i cant exactly take the spindle off due to the fact that some idiot welded the big nut in place with a few spot welds, and i dont want to risk the chance of ruining the threads... any suggestions on how to get the half shaft out with out getting too big of a headache... any suggestion on where to start would be great

KLF · 08-29-09, 06:53 AM

Paging Jerod... he has a procedure that sounds like the deal to me. Haven't tried it yet, though.

Bogo · 08-29-09, 02:04 PM

I'd consider the big nut toast. BTW there should be two and a special lock washer with tabs that goes between them. At some point you will need to adjust or regrease the bearings, and or even replace them. You can likely remove it with an angle grinder with cutoff blade. Cut above the threading tops, then use a wedge or pry bar to break it. The threads where the welds are will need to be cleaned out. Careful use of a dremel with cutoff discs can clean em out. You could also use a big thread cutter with dies, but them's spendy.

New spindles is maybe cheaper. When cleaning the threads out, use a nut and check em carefully for fit. Only remove the minimal amount needed.

digital · 08-29-09, 03:32 PM

http://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyota...e-cv-boot.html

2ndGenToyotaFan · 08-29-09, 10:22 PM

Thank you Digital. Altered, I'd keep my eyes open for a some new spindles (find someone doing a solid axle swap and you could probably get the whole front end for cheap...) Like this: 85-95 Toyota IFS 4x4 complete hub to hub. Need spare parts?

Tack welded bearing adjustment nuts sounds very scary to me....

alteredraptor · 08-30-09, 12:19 AM

i had a buddy help me out... and i would buy new to me parts, but im unemployed... but we were able to get it out by disconnecting the lbj... im guessing not the correct way but its out now... now i just need to get the new boot on and try to get it back together without ruining anything

alteredraptor · 08-30-09, 12:21 AM

and it turns out somewhere down the line before me... someone did some kind of work without putting all the pieces back where they should be...

alteredraptor · 08-30-09, 04:50 PM

its all back in... but the hub was taken off but never out back together right...

raydouble · 08-30-09, 04:55 PM

So the outer hub nut was welded to the spindle?

alteredraptor · 08-30-09, 09:24 PM

well.. whatever that big nut is called... yes... with two spot welds... dont know why someone would do that, or when it happened... but hopefully i wont be needing to worry about having to take it all apart any time soon... but the hard part was taking it out... boot was easy, i mean really easy to put on... and it was relatively easy to put back together... now i know not to disconnect the lower ball joint... only the top

raydouble · 08-30-09, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by alteredraptor

well.. whatever that big nut is called... yes... with two spot welds... dont know why someone would do that, or when it happened... but hopefully i wont be needing to worry about having to take it all apart any time soon... but the hard part was taking it out... boot was easy, i mean really easy to put on... and it was relatively easy to put back together... now i know not to disconnect the lower ball joint... only the top

The only thing I can guess is they didn't have the 54mm or 2-1/8" socket but they did have a welder

alteredraptor · 08-30-09, 10:32 PM

well i did buy it from one... so theres a good chance he did it... since he also cut the front part of the frame lowered it down 4 inches and welded flat stock to reconnect it to the rest of the frame... surprisingly straight too... and goes down the road straight too...

KLF · 08-30-09, 10:39 PM

Whoa. This I gotta see. Pics?

alteredraptor · 08-30-09, 11:17 PM

ill post them within a few minutes

alteredraptor · 08-30-09, 11:28 PM

the first one is the drivers side inner frame... second one is the passanger side outer.. and the third is drivers side

alteredraptor · 08-31-09, 12:49 PM

kinda scary lookin at first... had to scratch my head and wonder if itll actually hold and drive down the road straight... and with two somewhat long trips, one about 500 round trip and another about 300 round trip... only thing that went bad was the rear u-joint... otherwise its fine

alteredraptor · 08-31-09, 05:45 PM

any who, i just looked at the passenger side and theres an even bigger weld on the big nut...

2ndGenToyotaFan · 08-31-09, 06:15 PM

All the more reason to get new spindles.... There is supposed to be 2 big nuts that you tighten together with a locking washer, not tack welds holding your tire on. If those welds fail, it's going to be a bad time, and someone could get hurt or worse. Please change them as soon as you can!!!

raydouble · 08-31-09, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 2ndGenToyotaFan

All the more reason to get new spindles.... There is supposed to be 2 big nuts that you tighten together with a locking washer, not tack welds holding your tire on. If those welds fail, it's going to be a bad time, and someone could get hurt or worse. Please change them as soon as you can!!!

x2 ASAP

alteredraptor · 08-31-09, 06:26 PM

i wish i could... but being unemployed with no money prevents me buying anything... luckily tho i have another truck that i drive daily... and the nuts are there... but theyre welded onto the spindle, i shouldve been abit more specific... but if i had my old job they would be replaced without a second look

alteredraptor · 08-31-09, 06:27 PM

welded nut...

2ndGenToyotaFan · 08-31-09, 06:39 PM

Ah.... that's the single nut that is used on trucks with auto locking hubs, someone swapped to manuals and didn't pony up to get the right hardware to do the swap... and without the auto hub, that nut will not stay tight, so they welded it.... I guess it's not going to come off though is it... Looks welded pretty good. Scary none the less...

alteredraptor · 08-31-09, 10:49 PM

yea it does look pretty scary... but its an 87 tho... i thought auto hubs started out on trucks from the early 90's, not the late 80's... i mean correct me if im wrong

raydouble · 08-31-09, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by alteredraptor

yea it does look pretty scary... but its an 87 tho... i thought auto hubs started out on trucks from the early 90's, not the late 80's... i mean correct me if im wrong

Pretty sure a lot of the late 80's 4Runners had them........ a luxury for the runners? I don't recall seeing a lot of older pickups with them.

alteredraptor · 08-31-09, 10:57 PM

oh, ok... well, i just keep learning... now my question is what would i need... or should do if i ever get the money to do the job right... like parts needed and all that???

raydouble · 08-31-09, 11:06 PM

Let's see
Does anyone know if new spindles comes with brass cv bushings?
- Spindles
- 2x Spindle Nut Kit | Marlin Crawler, Inc.
- 2x Front Wheel Bearings | Marlin Crawler, Inc.
- 54mm or 2-1/8" thin walled socket

I know I'm forgetting some small parts.

Do you have manual locking hub's on that thing?

Get the FSM also for your rig.....invaluable information...
Toyota Tacoma/ 4Runner/ Tundra/ FJ Cruiser Factory Service Manual Page

alteredraptor · 08-31-09, 11:21 PM

yes it does have manual hubs... and thanx for the help... im gonna write this down and keep it safe in the trucks center console.. and if theres anymore parts not listed here please let me know

alteredraptor · 08-31-09, 11:22 PM

and ive actually downloaded that fsm not too long ago, but ive really never looked at it yet...

raydouble · 08-31-09, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alteredraptor

yes it does have manual hubs... and thanx for the help... im gonna write this down and keep it safe in the trucks center console.. and if theres anymore parts not listed here please let me know

I think that is everything you will need minus all the hardware you already have on the hub.

You will probably want a brass punch or hammer also to get the cone washers out of the hub.

This will get you most of the way there Toyota 4WD Front-end Maintenance - Disassembly - ORN
Definitely peruse the FSM........a couple times.

alteredraptor · 08-31-09, 11:52 PM

i have a lead hammer, idk... the cone washers actually come out on their own... and i actually need a new gear thing... sorry for my lame attempt with names... but its the one piece inside the hub that stays in place on the half shaft, that sits and stays in the hub.. and sorry for bein a pain, but i wanna get this done right you know...now as for the gear piece... where should i go to find one of them?? again sorry for tryin to discribe things and somewhat failing... and i will certainly look thru that fsm quite a few times