New Clutch will not shift?

Creek · 08-10-09, 12:11 AM

Ok hello all..I see there are a few clutch threads on here...My problem is this...I have an 85 4wd truck...Met a guy on craigs list to put my rebuilt shortblock in...time went on..finally after many trips...the guy got the motor in..While doing swap..i decided to put new clutch in..Clutch kit ran me about 225 after shipping...i purchased from performance shop...Motor is in...start it up..sounds pretty good..except carb is way wacked out..get to that later)...Start truck up..try to drive it...It will not shift..Have to hold it down into first and reverse is worse(grinding awfull noises...Near imposible to drive(mechanic did..But he will not return my calls.....SO when i turn motor off...It shifts like butter...Start it up..and it will not go into gear..I am stuck with a truck i may have to tow to garage..Or figure this out myself...After i had a few words on the phone...the kid came back and bled the line,all that...he said somthing about the slave may not be matching up with new clutch.?..I am looking for help...Any ideas?...Regards...C

WristPin · 08-10-09, 08:21 AM

verify proper operation of the slave cylinder controlling the fork

Creek · 08-10-09, 09:47 AM

Since this mechanic i hired will not return my call(total goober)...I have no way of verifying anything...as i do not know how...nor do i have the tools(jacks)..So i am stuck as to what to do..Tow to shop...or go rent jacks and hunt and peck my way through?

2ndGenToyotaFan · 08-10-09, 11:05 AM

No jacks needed. The slave is on the pass side of the transmission bell housing. Get a friend to pump the clutch pedal while you look at the slave to see if it's moving the clutch arm (arm goes into the trans). It should move an inch or so.

Creek · 08-10-09, 12:02 PM

Thank you jerod,...The mechanic the other day i believe did that as he had me pump the clutch..and mumbled something about slave not pushing forks properly? ..But he is no where to be found! grrr..I reckon in the shop it goes..Hopefully it will be something minor like that..After this experience i need to put it in the hands of a pro...Or at least a person who acts professional..I am just trying to save quan..which i do not have much of.

Rix86 · 08-11-09, 06:58 PM

clutch hydraulics (bad or not adjusted), clutch disc in backwards, locktite on the flywheel/disc (yes this WILL stop the clutch from spinning) bad pilot bearing, etc etc.

Creek · 08-11-09, 08:04 PM

I am hoping it is the slave...Put that in..and if that does not do the trick??..Hmm

2ndGenToyotaFan · 08-11-09, 10:10 PM

If there's no noticeable leak around the slave I'd start by changing the master... not the slave. But they are both pretty cheap... You might just want to have them both done...

Creek · 08-12-09, 09:08 AM

Ok...I think replacing master and slave would be the way to go..Gonna have a guy come by and look at it tonight...save a little on labor if i can...as i have other issues with this truck as well..My wire harness issue...and carb are my next step...But i NEED this clutch problem fixed now.

Creek · 08-14-09, 04:28 PM

Ok i am a total goob when it comes to mechanics... so here goes...I put the slave in..It seemed easy..and was not that bad..i got it in..all the fluid drained out..So my question is this..Is the only way i will know if this solved my broblem is to have a vacume pump...Pump the clutch etc??..I did start the truck up and try to shift...It was worse if not the same....Any advice..Thanx..C

Creek · 08-14-09, 04:45 PM

One more thing!...The guy who put the motor in was having a real time lining it up(like it was a two person job)..He did by his self did not want my help...I am wondering if by forcing it in place he may have messed up the pilot bearing?..The truck was not on level ground and he was trying to jimmy it in place with a few jacks and his hoist.

toy4xfun · 08-14-09, 06:30 PM

you need to find a good mechanic or buy some tools. it is possible but that will not make your truck not shift it will make your input shaft go bad over time. and also i would suggest you get a manual and read it. there is a type of sense that people have like common sense but it is a mechanical sense. if you have it you have it if you do not than i would search out a good mechanic. the questions you have only you can answer. from my perspective you did not have a hole lot of faith in the person you chose to do this work. if your gut said no than you should have said no. good luck!!! also you have to bleed the slave like you would bleed your brakes.

Creek · 08-29-09, 12:44 PM

Hi all...I put slave in...was pretty easy peasy...Had a dude come by and bleed...He did not have vacume..Just did it by hand!...The only way i can get the truck to shift is to pump hard in between shifts(any gear)..So i am stumped?...Could it just need more bleeding with vacume perhaps?...Any tips?...Thank you!..C

Bogo · 08-29-09, 01:24 PM

Sounds like it isn't fully bleed.

Creek · 08-29-09, 05:35 PM

I am so hoping that is all it is...I am so ready to drive this puppy and start getting it broke in....ggrr

Rix86 · 08-31-09, 12:50 PM

you don't need vacuum.
Just pump and hold, then bleed.
If it's not right, you still might need to adjust the pushrod and/or replace the master.

cruiser88 · 08-31-09, 01:23 PM

Some will gravity bleed(if it does keep the master full) some will need pumped

Creek · 09-05-09, 08:42 AM

Ok i have my clutch solved..I had new master put in as well...Now they tell me my carb needs rebuild...which i was afraid of...What is the best way to go...and most cost effective?...I have heard many toyota guys talk of webbers?...I have no idea how much quan i have to shell out for rebiult carb....so any feedback guys would be nice!...Thank you..C

cruiser88 · 09-05-09, 09:13 AM

Contact trollhole....he is a mud vender on here.

I will be back with a link.

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Originally Posted by Creek

Ok i have my clutch solved..I had new master put in as well...Now they tell me my carb needs rebuild...which i was afraid of...What is the best way to go...and most cost effective?...I have heard many toyota guys talk of webbers?...I have no idea how much quan i have to shell out for rebiult carb....so any feedback guys would be nice!...Thank you..C

Creek · 09-09-09, 09:51 AM

OK...So i have my truck back...had master put in ,New slave,..Mechanic ajusted carb but says needs rebuild..is leaking ,running rich bla bla...When i drive..It still wants to pop out of second gear? ,,it did so a few times..What causes this and what am i looking at now...And guys..Are the xtra cab 4 bangers just weak?...Big tires..xtra weight?..Kinda painful going up hill without momentum ..My 2wd 88 has heaps more power..But it is lighter...Will rebuilt carb improve my power at all??....I am all ears...Thank you...C

2ndGenToyotaFan · 09-09-09, 10:17 AM

I'm sure a carb that's not running right will kill power. Popping out of 2nd sounds like a trans issue, not a clutch issue. Are you sure you're getting it all the way into 2nd gear? Pull the shifter out and make sure your shifter seat isn't worn out.

Creek · 09-09-09, 10:26 AM

Ok///Ya i reckon shifter seat prolly is toast...since everything else was on this truck...And yes somtimes i have to hold it down in second..kinda pops out easy...all other gears are fine...And yes i am HOPING that i get a little more ooomph with new carb...I put new block in ..thought i would have some improvement?...It is nothing like my 2wd which powers and cruises like butter...I thank you all for any tips!..C