Independent Suspension Help

[Steve_925]

Does anyone know of any shortcuts to a suspension lift with independent suspension?

[lowtideride]

drive it into tommys 45 then insure it, say it was TJDIV's fault and get a cruiser.

[cruiserrg]

Cut it out and replace it with a solid axle. Lifting IFS is not worth the time or money.

[the shed guy]

What type of IFS, on what truck, and to do what?

This set up looks like it works ok.

[woody]

question is, what are you trying to do?

IFS articulates terribly, but rides well and does nicely on highspeed stuff.

[Steve_925]

I want more clearance/ bigger tires on my '93 Pathfinder.

[CruisinGA]

Cranking torsion bars is the only way. Make sure you know how to correct camber, otherwise you'll be wearing out half of your front tires very quickly.

On chevy 1/2 ton (maybe 3/4 too) you can swap the chevy torsion keys/cams out with Ford ones, the ford ones naturally have more "twist" in them, it is basically a method of tweaking the torsion bars even further.

Unless you just want to run something like 33's it will get very cost-prohibitive to "improve" your IFS.

[woody]

93 PF outta fit 31's stock, 32's barely, and 33's with some hammering...try 33x10.5 tires and let us know what happens..

[LT]

IFS = It Fuking Sucks

[T Y L E R]

My '93 4Runner was IFS ... I installed a Trailmater 4" lift . I eventually ran 35's with that setup .. minimum rubbing . I remember seeing a pathfinder in the catalogue at the time with 33's and one of their lifts . Looked pretty good too .

TY

PS : Sell it though and get into an 80 dude

[Isotel]

if you want the look of a lifted truck do a body lift.. 100 bucks and you will clear 33's on the pathgrinder.. I just put a 3" Body lift on an 89 pathfinder for a freind..

I know the newer Pathfinders were unibody, so you cant body lift it at all.. and unibodys tend to break apart after a couple years of wheeling them hard..

If you want to go play with the big boys, Solid axel is needed..

[VZLAFZJ80]

My friend has a frontier, not the same truck but similar. He was running 33” tires with a 3” suspension lift and 3” body lift with no rubbing at all. He got tired of having problems and braking stuff because of the IFS and tomorrow we are going to start a solid axel swap. He is going to run a Dana 44 and wrangler leaf springs with a shackle reversal. Apparently this setup has work well for others and he would be able to run 36” tires no problem!

You can also check out

http://www.calmini.com/

[Steve_925]

[quote=isotel]if you want the look of a lifted truck do a body lift.. 100 bucks and you will clear 33's on the pathgrinder.. I just put a 3" Body lift on an 89 pathfinder for a freind..

I know the newer Pathfinders were unibody, so you cant body lift it at all.. and unibodys tend to break apart after a couple years of wheeling them hard..QUOTE]


I would rather have the clearance than the "look", but right now I just want it to stop rubbing!

The '89 is the same body style as my '93. How hard or easy was the body lift?

[Tools R Us]

http://nissan4wheelers.com/eve

[fj40charles]

Originally Posted by GreenWeeny78

IFS = It Fuking Sucks

EXACTLY!

I'm sure the shed guy will chime in here and say we all don't "know" about IFS.....

[the shed guy]

Originally Posted by fj40charles

EXACTLY!

I'm sure the shed guy will chime in here and say we all don't "know" about IFS.....

Wwell, not everyone, but your the only one who has proved you dont, so far

[fj40charles]

Originally Posted by the shed guy

Wwell, not everyone, but your the only one who has proved you dont, so far

You've proven to me that you don't know sh!t about suspension based on youur comments about IFS.

If you're convinced the IFS is the way to go, why stop at this web site? I would sugggest you go an preach the IFS gospel on www.pirate4x4.com. There will be many others besides myself who think IFS is just POS.

[fj40charles]

Hey Sheddy,

I did a search on POR and saw that you've posted 5 times. None of these posts were
about IFS or any type of suspension.

Why limit your expertise here on ih8mud???? You should show the world just how much you know about IFS by posting in the General 4x4 section. I'm sure you'll get plenty of
opinions there.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/searc...earchid=441802

[the shed guy]

Didnt I just read this somewhere else,....

I would of thought you would of been open minded enough to try and understand something currently out of your grasp, but it would appear you simply want to express the same views as elsewhere, and you simply want the conversation to go there, because you dont feel confident enough to hold your own here


Anyway, enough of this discussion, my sig line says enough for me

[fj40charles]

Originally Posted by the shed guy

Didnt I just read this somewhere else,....

I would of thought you would of been open minded enough to try and understand something currently out of your grasp, but it would appear you simply want to express the same views as elsewhere, and you simply want the conversation to go there, because you dont feel confident enough to hold your own here


Anyway, enough of this discussion, my sig line says enough for me

Since you seem to think the next big thing in suspension is IFS, I think the rest of world should know. How come you don't want to share your vast knowledge with other like me who don't know as much about IFS as you? Why limit yourself sheddy?

What makes you think this is, "something out of your grasp" sheddy? I don't even know you and you think you know who I am? I used to have an IFS truck. I bet you didn't know that sheddy?

Quit hiding behind this web site and share you vast knowledge of IFS on www.pirate4x4.com. I know you have an user account and have posted 5 times, but none of the posts are about IFS.

Are you afraid of getting different opinions and not being able to hold your ground?????

[cruiserrg]

Thought I would add my thoughts to the IFS debate you folks seem to be having. First the pic above of the desert racer is application specific and works well in that enviroment, but not as well in rockcrawling.

IFS in stock form (or even in that desert racing form) doesn't lend itself well in highly articluated situations. Its because of the design the traction is less in high articluation as the arms try to keep the tire in its camber. IFS would do well in straight or v climbs tho, but not substantially better than solid axle.

Do I think that IFS could do well in rockcrawling...Maybe in some situations, but not in others as noted in my comments. I have had thoughts of trying to address the concern with being able to change camber live and may someday play with that.

You may see more IFS in the future as rockcawlers try to lower CG and the axles start preventing that, but it will take a highly modifies arm system to be effective.

[the shed guy]

Good points on the IFS, and though i agree the relevance of the type of use, I havent seen anywhere where the "specific" use has been stated here

Simply something was wanted 'outside the square" so to speak, hence I attached a pic of Walker Evans vehicle, which was a little outside the square, and lacked development time [Walkers own words] and he was keen to go IFS on the next truck as well, and develop it over a longer period.

Anyone can copy a design that works, not many can create something that does.

[cruiserrg]

Originally Posted by the shed guy

Simply something was wanted 'outside the square" so to speak, hence I attached a pic of Walker Evans vehicle, which was a little outside the square, and lacked development time [Walkers own words] and he was keen to go IFS on the next truck as well, and develop it over a longer period.

One note, Walkers new rig is a moon buggy (rear engine) with solid axles front and rear. So did not pursue IFS/IRS any further.

[cruiserrg]

Please bring the IFS debate here: http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.p...531#post246531

[the shed guy]

Originally Posted by cruiserrg

One note, Walkers new rig is a moon buggy (rear engine) with solid axles front and rear. So did not pursue IFS/IRS any further.

And I guess, in what he designed, its a little difficult to measure how worse, if any the IFS was, and how that translates to what the average person uses, whilst developing on the fly.

But just the fact they were looking at it, says it cant be all bad, just not developed enough to be in the top 10 in one small part of a motor sport catagory.

[Steve_925]

Wow, I was only looking for a shortcut!

Sorry, didn't mean to stir the fire up that much.

[the shed guy]

Relax Steve, some go looking for a topic that will do that, some go looking for a topic that has that, and some just post what they think