time for a snorkel...i hydrolocked it again...any ideas?

[83 chif]

welp, i hydrolocked my heep's motor twice before, and then out with the 4runner yesterday i hydrolocked my 22re. when i pulled the plugs and cranked the motor, it looked like old faithful...pretty funny stuff, luckily there appears to be no damage, but it is time for a snorkel....anyone ever built their own? did you use the stock air box or come up with a replacement?

i'd prefer the snorkel to be on the passenger side, but it looks like the easiest way would be to seal up the front of the air box where the cone is, then just drill a hole in the side of the airbox nearest to the driver's side fender, then some 3" exhaust pipe up the window frame.

any pics or ideas would be cool, just looking for something to stimulate my imagination.....

i'll try and post some pics of the water holes i sometimes come across on the trails, usually the ground is hard sand and i test the depth first, but some guys run through with some big shoes on their trucks and rut the ground up so much, you don't know what's waiting for you.....

[83 chif]

it's an 89' 4runner by the way, 22re 5pd....

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

A lot more work is to move the AFM over to where the bat is, the bat across to where the afm is and snorkle out the pass side. That cuts out all the intake piping that is in the way on the front of the engine, puts the snorkle where you want it, and is uh... cooler!

[ms018kmf]

I've made homebrewed snorkels in the past in my heeps. Just ABS pipe going under the hood any way it could. I had a generic canister filter stuffed in what was a battery box. It was very cheap but eventually I went for an ARB. I feel your pain, nothing like water damage to ruin your day (or month). I've been sidetracked by suspension but an ARB Snorkel is definitely going into my Toyota. Snorkels have a way of paying for themselves, even if they only get used once in their lifetime. A properly built homebrew snorkel will do the job if built right, good luck dude!

[Jonathan_Ferguson]

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[83 chif]

let's see if i can handle this photo thing....

[83 chif]

haha, nope, guess not....i'll try again later....

i figure a home brew snorkel will do the trick, just might not look as clean. i'll have to take a look under the hood tomorrow, but moving the battery and the air box might be in order.

awesome truck jon, i love the four doors, and MS, i'll never get sick of seeing a nice cj7....

i'll try and post pics later simply because everyone enjoys some pics....keep the ideas coming, and thanks for the tips!!

[knixen]

Try aftermarket landrover parts, they have bunch of cool snorkel stuff.

[ms018kmf]

Originally Posted by Jonathan_Ferguson

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Ahhh, fond memories...

Oh yeah, when I put the ARB in the Jeep it still needed an airbox. I got a new Wrangler one and stuffed it under the hood. On Ebay I've seen lots of random snorkels that could be put together with many combinations of airboxes on the cheap.

[tntoyota]

I give up on GayBay do your own search(of course thats a trick statement, you dont get enough search parameters on GayBay).......


used to be a guy on there with instructions on how to home brew an economical snorkel

[83 chif]

well i've done some research, i think i am going to switch the battery to where the airbox sits, and use the stock airbox. once i get some tubing for the snorkel, how do i attach it to the truck to run along the windshield?

i found some used land rover defender snorkel parts that i might buy and use....just don't know how to attach it quite yet.....

[missouriman]

36 bucks worth of pvc pipe and it works great.
home made. but man 36 bucks, and an old oil filter gasket.







I hope some where in there you can see what it really looks like.
of course this is on a 85 4 cylinder.

[missouriman]

oh and as far as restricting air flow.. yeh maybe a bit but.

[83 chif]

that looks cool, PVC pipe might do the trick, the price is right....but how did you attach it to the windshield frame area?

[missouriman]

hose clamps, hole drilled through and screws with big threads. drill the piller with smaller holes then the hose clamps..
you can see the hose clamp in the last picture.
to paint pvc, use the pvc cleaner on a very damp rag. wipe it once, once only or the pvc will melt and smear. let it dry and use plain old spray paint.

that was white pvc, spray painted it about 5 years ago. been rubbed on hard by tree branches and rocks.. I have not repainted it.

[missouriman]

Here in the black hills of South Dakota, I get alot of crap about it.
wheeling here in the rocks is nothing like the mudding of missouri.

if you want more details or pictures let me know.
I really think it is the best PVC pipe snorkle that I have ever seen, I was shocked at how well it turned out.

but with the snorkle you also have to protect the dist cap, and your spark plug wires. an electric fan is the best, you can turn it off.

or keep the rpms way down or the fan will swim into your radiator.

[83 chif]

hose clamps makes sense. i'm going to looking into using exhaust pipe for the snorkel though, is there any reason why you choose pvc over exhaust pipe? i have a friend at a garage who can have it bent for me, so the cost will be low as far as that goes. just wondering if there was something i'm not thinking of....

i know about protecting the distributer, i'm going to extend the breather line and i also have that nifty toyota rubber distributer boot thinger that helps a bit. i didn't think of the fan though, is it good that you can turn the fan off so that you don't splash water all over the place? or is there another reason....

the trails i usually run aren't even real muddy, just wet. south jersey is flat and the pine barrens flood a lot because of all the creeks and swamps, so i'm learning that a snorkel is a must.

thanks for all the help.....

[tntoyota]

Originally Posted by 83 chif

i know about protecting the distributer, i'm going to extend the breather line and i also have that nifty toyota rubber distributer boot thinger that helps a bit. i didn't think of the fan though, is it good that you can turn the fan off so that you don't splash water all over the place? or is there another reason....

SUPPOSEDLY the Florida swap buggies learned to remove the fan because dropping suddenly in deep water with high rpm's, the blades would catch the water and bend INTO the radiator. Like a boat prop that cant move the boat, somethings got to give.

IMO, prepping for water crossings would include an E-fan, with an in dash switch to manually turn it off.

Also If you slow wheel, running around bouncing up and down having a ball, snow can pack up under the the engine compartment and stop the fan, then you'll sound like the guy at the stop sign at 3 o'clock in the mourning that you would wish would stop long enough so you could buy him a belt.


only you'll be burning the belt that is the only thing that can get you HOME

[missouriman]

you can do parts of it in tube.
I came out the stock hole, that is where the oil filter gasket go's.
around the front of the air box. down the in side of the fender to what you see in the pictures.

[83 chif]

I see what you mean about running the tubing inside, but this oil filter gasket nonsense is throwing me off. since i was confused, i took a look under the hood, and there seams to be a gasket attached to the sheet metal on the inner side of the fender, right where you said it would be, but why is it there? am i missing something?

[83 chif]

another quick question missouriman, what brand of bumper is that you've got there?

[missouriman]

well on the 85's the hole in the air box is on the motor side. there is a plastic tube that comes out and up beside the head light.

that hole is where the oil filter gasket go's.
I can take some pictures on tuesday.

male electric screw in conector inside the box. the pvc ones won't screw in far enough.
90 to a 3 or 4 inch pvc pipe
90 and pvc across the front of the box through the inner fender
90 up to where you see it come out of the outer fender. (that spot takes 2 90's one male and one female.
45 up the wind shield.
45 at the end into a 2 inch to 3 inch adaptor and a plastic sewer cap to top it off.



the bumpers are home made. I could not find one that I liked so I looked at hundreds of pictures and came up with this one.
made the same one for my wifes truck.
I am pretty proud of how they turned out, my first large metal project.















Wife getting it lol

[missouriman]

the electric thread screw into the pvc alot further then the pvc threaded fittings. it is the gray fitting inside the box.



location of old oil filter gasket.


dissconnect for removing the air box, added later after I had to get at alt and steering box.

You need to make sure that you have room to latch your air box clips.


comming out of the inner fender and up the outer fender.




hose clamp screwed to a piller and then clamped on to the tube.
I used on on the fender and two going up the a piller.

top 45 fitting and expansion adaptor and plasic sewer pipe cover.
got this stuff at manards.

[missouriman]

now dist,,, put some forma gasket around it just a little and put it back on.
the dist also has a breather hole. use air line for a fish tank and seal it in there. tie wrap and some silicone.
run it up along the fender and into the cab.
the hole is in the metal part of the dist.. look and you will see it.

[missouriman]

take your motor computer behind the pass side kick panel.. connect a ground to it and the cab.. then shove it up behind the glove compartment and secure it there.

first time you dump it in deep get ready. water will squirt into the cab up through shift boots, drain holes..

fan, go electric and turn it off.

now take a chunk of ply wood about 1.5 by 1.5 feet and try to run through a pool.. now think about the forces that you are putting on your radiator. you can easy push it though its mounts.

[missouriman]

since you sound like a newbee on the deep water stuff.. sorry if you are not.
it is all about kinetic energy, weight displacement and rate of displacement.
so at 20 mph water is like jell-ow.
at 25 it is like mashed potatoes
at 30 it is like mud.
at 40 thick mud.
much above that it gets really thick.

at 100 it is like or close to cement.
at a 150mph it just as well be cement.
at that speed I would say worse then cement, as you will be changing angle as you slow down and the resistance if you don't bounce would increase untill you came to a stop. as with cement your trajectory would change then you would only be dealing with resistance.

[83 chif]

cool, thanks for all the help...i've got my game plan now, the pics definately helped, and those bumpers are sweet, nice work....and i'm not too much an amatuer with water crossings, just an amatuer at doing them properly haha....thanks again! i'll probably get started on my snorkel next week over spring break....

[missouriman]

Originally Posted by 83 chif

cool, thanks for all the help...i've got my game plan now, the pics definately helped, and those bumpers are sweet, nice work....and i'm not too much an amatuer with water crossings, just an amatuer at doing them properly haha....thanks again! i'll probably get started on my snorkel next week over spring break....

thanks... the bumpers if I were to figure 65.00 and hour for labor.. those are about,,, 2200.00 bumbers. well at least the first one.
I have people ask me alot what it would cost to make one for them... I have no idea.. they take 3 to 4 days of busting your butt... and about 10 grinding wheels and 2 spooles of welding wire.

take a bunch of pictures of your snorkle build and post up...
if you have any more questions post up.