Are 4 cyl 4x4 trannys interchangeable, between an 88 reg cab 4x4 and 89 runner?

LeftCoast · 08-17-07, 01:05 PM

Hi all,

I can pickup an 89 runner 4x4 with a whiny transmission for @ a geezel, but can I replace said transmission with a spare out of an 88 reg cab 4x4 PU? Both engines are the 22re, BTW. Should I switch out transfer case as well (altogether with my spare), and will I need to do anything with the driveshaft?

Also, how about a little rust hole over one of the doors? Not bad underneath, but the hole concerns me. Is this the beginning of bad rust everywhere, or do those 2 door runners have this weird flaw?

Thanks.

KLF · 08-17-07, 03:01 PM

Both trannies should be a W56, no problem swapping them. Yeah, swap the whole thing, t-case and all. Driveshaft shouldn't be a problem.

Where exactly is the rust hole? Yes, these trucks rust BAD.

And what the heck is a "geezel"?

2ndGenToyotaFan · 08-17-07, 03:41 PM

A rust hole above the door? That's an odd one.... Could be a fluke, or it could be a rusty truck, I'd give it a good look over, as I would any truck.....

Bear80 · 08-17-07, 04:21 PM

22r and 22re motors have a w56 tranny with the gear driven t-case. Some mid-90's had a G58(?) with the 22re motor, not sure why but most still at the time used the w56.

The 3vze used the R150 with chain driven t-case. This is a better tranny than the w56, however you will need a new bell housing to use it on a 22re motor and the rear crossmember. Which for the bell housing, means finding a R151 that came on a 22re-t and then you'd be better off using the R151 since it has a LOW 1st and lower 2nd. Also the R151 has the gear driven t-case.

tntoyota · 08-17-07, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bear80

22r and 22re motors have a w56 tranny with the gear driven t-case. Some mid-90's had a G58(?) with the 22re motor, not sure why but most still at the time used the w56.

The 3vze used the R150 with chain driven t-case. This is a better tranny than the w56, however you will need a new bell housing to use it on a 22re motor and the rear crossmember. Which for the bell housing, means finding a R151 that came on a 22re-t and then you'd be better off using the R151 since it has a LOW 1st and lower 2nd. Also the R151 has the gear driven t-case.

#1: shhhh!

#2: RET 2WD (R150) bellhousings will also work on (V6) R150 but 2WD has no low 1st and duh TC,

2ndGenToyotaFan · 08-17-07, 05:37 PM

Early 22R's maybe all of them came with G52 5 speeds... My 86 had one.

KY854RUN · 08-17-07, 06:06 PM

The fuel injected trucks and 4Runners from 85 to 95 should have the W56. The carburated ones would have the G52.

You will need to check on where the T-case shifter is located. Trucks often came with the forward mounted shifter and 4Runners have the top mounted T-case shifter.

jasonmt · 08-17-07, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KY854RUN

The fuel injected trucks and 4Runners from 85 to 95 should have the W56. The carburated ones would have the G52.

You will need to check on where the T-case shifter is located. Trucks often came with the forward mounted shifter and 4Runners have the top mounted T-case shifter.

Not all of the 22RE powered 89+ trucks and 90+ 4Runners came with a W56, those that had ADD came with a G58 transmission and a chain drive case.

A 89 22RE 4Runner and a 88 22RE pickup would have came with the same W56-B transmission and type 3 top mount gear drive T case.

2ndGenToyotaFan · 08-17-07, 08:25 PM

This thread turned out well, I think I'll FAQ it

Bear80 · 08-18-07, 12:39 AM

ah, that's right the 22r used the G52, while the 22re had the w56.

LeftCoast · 08-19-07, 09:04 AM

Great info to know, guys, thanks a lot.

The Runner, however, was a ginormous POS, not even worth the geezel (G, or grand, or $1000 KLF!). There was a hole over the windshield I could go three knuckles deep in...with three fingers.

Glad to have the thread in the FAQs, however, so all wasn't meaningless.

Downey · 08-19-07, 10:02 AM

The 1988 22RE transfer- case was the last year of the Top-Loader!! The 1989 carbureted, EFI, or V6 transfer-cases were all Front-Loaders. Whats this got to do with your transmission choice??? The tranny shifters come in various flavors, and the actual tranny/transfer shifter could prevent you from pulling the swap you desire??? Actually you might be able to pull this off with a shifter/ shift-rail swap???

2ndGenToyotaFan · 08-19-07, 11:12 AM

Here's some onfo from Marlin Crawler on T-cases and Trannys:

T-case Bible.

Pics of various trannys.

84toyodiesel · 09-01-07, 11:48 PM

I am just woundering if a 22RE transmission will bolt up to my 84 diesel motor. I am having a hard timing finding a diesel tranny and a harder time getting help on how to solve my problem. Just want to know if the gas transmission will work and from what years I can get one from...

denis · 09-01-07, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 84toyodiesel

I am just woundering if a 22RE transmission will bolt up to my 84 diesel motor. I am having a hard timing finding a diesel tranny and a harder time getting help on how to solve my problem. Just want to know if the gas transmission will work and from what years I can get one from...

it will work, just keep you bellhousing. G and W series have the same front tranny pattern so either will work with your bellhousing.

08-17-07, 03:41 PM	#3
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,741	A rust hole above the door? That's an odd one.... Could be a fluke, or it could be a rusty truck, I'd give it a good look over, as I would any truck..... __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

08-17-07, 04:21 PM	#4
Bear80 Ante up to an 80 series! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Antonio, TEXAS TLCA# 14779 Posts: 2,445	22r and 22re motors have a w56 tranny with the gear driven t-case. Some mid-90's had a G58(?) with the 22re motor, not sure why but most still at the time used the w56. The 3vze used the R150 with chain driven t-case. This is a better tranny than the w56, however you will need a new bell housing to use it on a 22re motor and the rear crossmember. Which for the bell housing, means finding a R151 that came on a 22re-t and then you'd be better off using the R151 since it has a LOW 1st and lower 2nd. Also the R151 has the gear driven t-case. __________________ 40th FZJ80 - Range Rover Recovery Vehicle Alamo City Land Cruisers -Benjamin-

08-17-07, 05:37 PM	#6
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,741	Early 22R's maybe all of them came with G52 5 speeds... My 86 had one. __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

08-17-07, 06:06 PM	#7
KY854RUN IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Northern Arizona TLCA# 3200 Posts: 343	The fuel injected trucks and 4Runners from 85 to 95 should have the W56. The carburated ones would have the G52. You will need to check on where the T-case shifter is located. Trucks often came with the forward mounted shifter and 4Runners have the top mounted T-case shifter. __________________ Kevin `85 4Runner - work in progress M416 Trailer - ukn year, rebuilt July 2007, build thread `68 FJ40 - planning stages of a build Green Country Cruisers - member Wish List - to long to post

08-17-07, 08:25 PM	#9
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,741	This thread turned out well, I think I'll FAQ it __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

08-17-07, 01:05 PM	#1
LeftCoast IH8MUD Junior Join Date: May 2007 Location: I smell Mons Venus! Posts: 194	Are 4 cyl 4x4 trannys interchangeable, between an 88 reg cab 4x4 and 89 runner? Hi all, I can pickup an 89 runner 4x4 with a whiny transmission for @ a geezel, but can I replace said transmission with a spare out of an 88 reg cab 4x4 PU? Both engines are the 22re, BTW. Should I switch out transfer case as well (altogether with my spare), and will I need to do anything with the driveshaft? Also, how about a little rust hole over one of the doors? Not bad underneath, but the hole concerns me. Is this the beginning of bad rust everywhere, or do those 2 door runners have this weird flaw? Thanks.

08-17-07, 03:01 PM	#2
KLF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Barrington, NH Posts: 1,787	Both trannies should be a W56, no problem swapping them. Yeah, swap the whole thing, t-case and all. Driveshaft shouldn't be a problem. Where exactly is the rust hole? Yes, these trucks rust BAD. And what the heck is a "geezel"? __________________ KB1OSF '87 Toyota xcab SR5 - SAS'd, stuff '98 Lexus ES300 '04 Toyota Highlander

08-18-07, 12:39 AM	#10
Bear80 Ante up to an 80 series! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Antonio, TEXAS TLCA# 14779 Posts: 2,445	ah, that's right the 22r used the G52, while the 22re had the w56. __________________ 40th FZJ80 - Range Rover Recovery Vehicle Alamo City Land Cruisers -Benjamin-

08-19-07, 09:04 AM	#11
LeftCoast IH8MUD Junior Join Date: May 2007 Location: I smell Mons Venus! Posts: 194	Great info to know, guys, thanks a lot. The Runner, however, was a ginormous POS, not even worth the geezel (G, or grand, or $1000 KLF!). There was a hole over the windshield I could go three knuckles deep in...with three fingers. Glad to have the thread in the FAQs, however, so all wasn't meaningless.

08-19-07, 10:02 AM	#12
Downey IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Whittier, Calif. TLCA# Associate Member/Sponsor Posts: 758	The 1988 22RE transfer- case was the last year of the Top-Loader!! The 1989 carbureted, EFI, or V6 transfer-cases were all Front-Loaders. Whats this got to do with your transmission choice??? The tranny shifters come in various flavors, and the actual tranny/transfer shifter could prevent you from pulling the swap you desire??? Actually you might be able to pull this off with a shifter/ shift-rail swap???

08-19-07, 11:12 AM	#13
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,741	Here's some onfo from Marlin Crawler on T-cases and Trannys: T-case Bible. Pics of various trannys. __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

09-01-07, 11:48 PM	#14
84toyodiesel IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1	22RE and 2L I am just woundering if a 22RE transmission will bolt up to my 84 diesel motor. I am having a hard timing finding a diesel tranny and a harder time getting help on how to solve my problem. Just want to know if the gas transmission will work and from what years I can get one from...

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