Swap landcruiser manual hubs to 4runner

PurpleFJ62 · 03-15-07, 07:43 PM

I have noticed that my asian hubs on my 62 seem to be exactly the same as the hubs on my 4runner. Only difference is the cruiser has manual lockers and the runner dosent. If I were to upgrade my cruiser ones could I bolt the asians on my 4runner?

This 4runner does have ADD. I noticed on the last front end rebuild I did the diff has alot of tension in it. Since this is a DD I think it could net me a few MPG.

I think I saw a thread about this at one time, but search returned no results.

thanks -nate-

Bear80 · 03-15-07, 07:48 PM

Nope, solid axle trucks including land cruisers have 30 spline axles. The IFS trucks/4runners have only 27 spline axles. You can tell the difference of a 30 spline hub from a 27 spline hub by the rotating tab of the hub. 30 spline hubs have more of a tab, 27 spline hub tabs are flush with the hub body.

tntoyota · 03-15-07, 08:18 PM

I have put manual hubs on ADD's

IMO, I love the idea:

1: L2
2: less drag
3: lock the hubs in the winter it's just like having the flanges
4: wont turn or tear up the cv boots and spin the grease out even if not used
5: I like the handling

PurpleFJ62 · 03-15-07, 10:34 PM

I did not count the splines, but that would have stopped me very quickly if the hubs would not fit. Wonder why toyota would have a 3 spline difference between the two, dosent make any sense to me.

Does anyone have a set of manual 27 spline hubs that would be willing to sell. How about a internet store where you can get them, like hte used cruiser parts site, but for ifs toyotas.

-nate-

2ndGenToyotaFan · 03-16-07, 12:05 AM

I have one I'd let go for cheap (Might have 2, I haven't looked in a while)..... I picked it up as a spare..... Then found out there are borderline indestructable......

I'll try to see what I have tomorrow for you.

extremetoy1 · 03-16-07, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleFJ62

I have noticed that my asian hubs on my 62 seem to be exactly the same as the hubs on my 4runner. Only difference is the cruiser has manual lockers and the runner dosent. If I were to upgrade my cruiser ones could I bolt the asians on my 4runner?

This 4runner does have ADD. I noticed on the last front end rebuild I did the diff has alot of tension in it. Since this is a DD I think it could net me a few MPG.

I think I saw a thread about this at one time, but search returned no results.

thanks -nate-

how are you going to "upgrade" a Toyota manual hub? there isnt a "upgrade available... the after market hubs come nowhere near the strength of the factory Aisin hub period. are your hubs not working? did you break one? then why the up grade?

the ealry IFS fron t ends use this hub you are looking for- FWIW the lancruiser and mini truck solid axle trucks use the same hub

PurpleFJ62 · 03-16-07, 04:10 PM

Arnt warn manual lockers the thing to have? See I come from jeep world so cut me some slack. The entire hub assembly on my cruiser was slaughtered by an ass hole mechanic before the vehicle came into my possession, only a pic would do it justice. Looks as if a huge hammer beat the hell out of it. Many dents. What I would do would buy brand new parts for my cruiser and take the old ones for the 4runner.

My cruiser gets the new stuff always.
However my idea was shot down when i was informed that they do not interchage. The spline count is different.
Could someone post pics of describe the difference in IFS and solid axle manual hubs please.
thanks-nate-

2ndGenToyotaFan · 03-16-07, 07:35 PM

The differences are hard to pick out... Most of the insides are slightly different (just enough so that not much is interchangable) and the dial looks a little different as mentioned. And the spline count.

I have one IFS hub I'd be willing to sell you, I rebuilt it a few years ago, so it's ready to go on. However, 2 of the small bolts that hold the dial on are broken off in the holes... and I'll have to see if I have the rest of the bolts around somewhere. (I put 2 phillips head machine screws in to hold it together for some reason.....) Send me a PM if you want it.

Tools R Us · 03-17-07, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PurpleFJ62

Arnt warn manual lockers the thing to have? ...

Yes they are one of the best for enhanced carnage! The are made from cast alloy, don't use cone washers to mount, so are mounted much less securely. The Aisin's are steel, more compact and much more solid.

This is the type of carnage that you can look forward to with Warns!

Tools R Us · 03-17-07, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PurpleFJ62

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Could someone post pics of describe the difference in IFS and solid axle manual hubs please.
thanks-nate-

Not exactly what your looking for, but some info here;

http://orc.off-road.com/offroad/arti...ng=Aisin%20Hub

PurpleFJ62 · 03-17-07, 06:31 PM

I have been lead to believe that warns were very good. Now I know better, thanks for showing me the devistation to those. Were those on your Rig, or is that just a pic you found?

2nd gen fan- thanks very much for the offer, but I need 2. Not to shure I would like one with 2 broken bolts. I would be grateful to know who are the best people to deal with over the internet for 4runner parts.

thanks -nate-

cruiser88 · 03-17-07, 06:58 PM

aisian

baby.but you could stoop as low as super winch

.dont ask me why

2ndGenToyotaFan · 03-17-07, 10:11 PM

Yeah, that's why it's my spare......

Tools R Us · 03-17-07, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleFJ62

I have been lead to believe that warns were very good. Now I know better, thanks for showing me the devistation to those. Were those on your Rig, or is that just a pic you found?

...

thanks -nate-

A buddies FJ40, it launched the debris (hub parts) into the rocks!

PurpleFJ62 · 03-18-07, 11:22 AM

I helped my uncle jim ( see coco's link ) restore a classic power wagon. That thing is of epic size and guess what it had. Warn manual locking hubs. I said to my self, if this thing has them they must be good. After many hours of working on it, it became apparent that its front axle was smaller than the one in my cruiser. Funny because these things are former gov't vehicles, so I would expect only the best.

2ndGenToyotaFan · 03-18-07, 12:12 PM

Yes..... the best american vehicle......

PurpleFJ62 · 03-18-07, 03:22 PM

I saw one with a slant six, must be slower than shit. Think your 2nd gen 4runner is a turd, it must be horrible. The yellow one on the website had a build 360 I believe.

your a power wagon fan?

cruiser88 · 03-18-07, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleFJ62

I saw one with a slant six, must be slower than shit. Think your 2nd gen 4runner is a turd, it must be horrible. The yellow one on the website had a build 360 I believe.

your a power wagon fan?

slant 6 can be tuned

PurpleFJ62 · 03-18-07, 04:59 PM

I can see why they slanted it. Looks very easy to work on. The exhaust is not directly under the intake stuff. The starter looks easy to get at. A good design, but I would like to know what you could do to a carb slant six.

cruiser88 · 03-18-07, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleFJ62

I can see why they slanted it. Looks very easy to work on. The exhaust is not directly under the intake stuff. The starter looks easy to get at. A good design, but I would like to know what you could do to a carb slant six.

carb,headers,ignition,cam,the list goes on and on

i had one.dam things are bulletproff

2ndGenToyotaFan · 03-18-07, 10:14 PM

Yup, I'd own a slant 6. They probably stopped making them cause they wouldn't die.....

KliersLC · 03-18-07, 11:29 PM

The easiest place to get a set of aisin hubs is a Junkyard. Look for a bunch of old wrecked yotas and grab the hubs off one of them.

PurpleFJ62 · 03-19-07, 06:10 AM

soulds like a plan, school will run my life for the next 2 months, but soon I will be able to take some time and go parts looking.

maby a slant six into a 4runner???

r0nin89 · 03-19-07, 07:31 AM

So even mini truck solid axles are 27 spline? That would mean I need to find the hubs out of the junkyard off an 8in axle?

2ndGenToyotaFan · 03-19-07, 09:40 AM

Solid axle = 30
IFS =27

r0nin89 · 03-19-07, 10:52 AM

Ah ok so I'm good to go if i find hubs off any solid toyota axle for my solid front?

tntoyota · 03-19-07, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruiser88

slant 6 can be tuned

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleFJ62

I can see why they slanted it. Looks very easy to work on. The exhaust is not directly under the intake stuff. The starter looks easy to get at. A good design, but I would like to know what you could do to a carb slant six.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleFJ62

03-15-07, 07:43 PM	#1
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	Swap landcruiser manual hubs to 4runner I have noticed that my asian hubs on my 62 seem to be exactly the same as the hubs on my 4runner. Only difference is the cruiser has manual lockers and the runner dosent. If I were to upgrade my cruiser ones could I bolt the asians on my 4runner? This 4runner does have ADD. I noticed on the last front end rebuild I did the diff has alot of tension in it. Since this is a DD I think it could net me a few MPG. I think I saw a thread about this at one time, but search returned no results. thanks -nate- __________________ Kettering University Incoming Freshman 1988 FJ 62, 1994 4Runner, 2001 4Runner, 2006 VW TDI, 1992 Plymouth Laser, 1999 Heep of Junk Wrangler Live in the thumb of michigan? Need body repair or restorations? http://www.cococollision.com

03-15-07, 07:48 PM	#2
Bear80 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Antonio, TEXAS TLCA# 14779 Posts: 2,496	Nope, solid axle trucks including land cruisers have 30 spline axles. The IFS trucks/4runners have only 27 spline axles. You can tell the difference of a 30 spline hub from a 27 spline hub by the rotating tab of the hub. 30 spline hubs have more of a tab, 27 spline hub tabs are flush with the hub body. __________________ 40th FZJ80 - Range Rover Recovery Vehicle Alamo City Land Cruisers -Benjamin- Last edited by Bear80; 03-15-07 at 10:29 PM.

03-15-07, 08:18 PM	#3
tntoyota Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nashville TN...But I miss Richlands NC Posts: 1,195	I have put manual hubs on ADD's IMO, I love the idea: 1: L2 2: less drag 3: lock the hubs in the winter it's just like having the flanges 4: wont turn or tear up the cv boots and spin the grease out even if not used 5: I like the handling Last edited by tntoyota; 03-16-07 at 07:33 AM.

03-15-07, 10:34 PM	#4
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	I did not count the splines, but that would have stopped me very quickly if the hubs would not fit. Wonder why toyota would have a 3 spline difference between the two, dosent make any sense to me. Does anyone have a set of manual 27 spline hubs that would be willing to sell. How about a internet store where you can get them, like hte used cruiser parts site, but for ifs toyotas. -nate- __________________ Kettering University Incoming Freshman 1988 FJ 62, 1994 4Runner, 2001 4Runner, 2006 VW TDI, 1992 Plymouth Laser, 1999 Heep of Junk Wrangler Live in the thumb of michigan? Need body repair or restorations? http://www.cococollision.com

03-16-07, 12:05 AM	#5
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	I have one I'd let go for cheap (Might have 2, I haven't looked in a while)..... I picked it up as a spare..... Then found out there are borderline indestructable...... I'll try to see what I have tomorrow for you. __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

03-16-07, 04:10 PM	#7
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	Arnt warn manual lockers the thing to have? See I come from jeep world so cut me some slack. The entire hub assembly on my cruiser was slaughtered by an ass hole mechanic before the vehicle came into my possession, only a pic would do it justice. Looks as if a huge hammer beat the hell out of it. Many dents. What I would do would buy brand new parts for my cruiser and take the old ones for the 4runner. My cruiser gets the new stuff always. However my idea was shot down when i was informed that they do not interchage. The spline count is different. Could someone post pics of describe the difference in IFS and solid axle manual hubs please. thanks-nate- __________________ Kettering University Incoming Freshman 1988 FJ 62, 1994 4Runner, 2001 4Runner, 2006 VW TDI, 1992 Plymouth Laser, 1999 Heep of Junk Wrangler Live in the thumb of michigan? Need body repair or restorations? http://www.cococollision.com

03-16-07, 07:35 PM	#8
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	The differences are hard to pick out... Most of the insides are slightly different (just enough so that not much is interchangable) and the dial looks a little different as mentioned. And the spline count. I have one IFS hub I'd be willing to sell you, I rebuilt it a few years ago, so it's ready to go on. However, 2 of the small bolts that hold the dial on are broken off in the holes... and I'll have to see if I have the rest of the bolts around somewhere. (I put 2 phillips head machine screws in to hold it together for some reason.....) Send me a PM if you want it. __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

03-17-07, 06:31 PM	#11
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	I have been lead to believe that warns were very good. Now I know better, thanks for showing me the devistation to those. Were those on your Rig, or is that just a pic you found? 2nd gen fan- thanks very much for the offer, but I need 2. Not to shure I would like one with 2 broken bolts. I would be grateful to know who are the best people to deal with over the internet for 4runner parts. thanks -nate- __________________ Kettering University Incoming Freshman 1988 FJ 62, 1994 4Runner, 2001 4Runner, 2006 VW TDI, 1992 Plymouth Laser, 1999 Heep of Junk Wrangler Live in the thumb of michigan? Need body repair or restorations? http://www.cococollision.com

03-17-07, 06:58 PM	#12
cruiser88 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: over here TLCA# 17319 Posts: 7,640	aisian baby.but you could stoop as low as super winch .dont ask me why __________________ ByPhilC64 Dig the anger on on the bacon sammich chaser. You being angry is like Boy George not trying to be gay. Go play with your 2 inch line, some hand cream and a sock. You'll feel better.

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2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	Yeah, that's why it's my spare...... __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

03-18-07, 11:22 AM	#15
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	I helped my uncle jim ( see coco's link ) restore a classic power wagon. That thing is of epic size and guess what it had. Warn manual locking hubs. I said to my self, if this thing has them they must be good. After many hours of working on it, it became apparent that its front axle was smaller than the one in my cruiser. Funny because these things are former gov't vehicles, so I would expect only the best. __________________ Kettering University Incoming Freshman 1988 FJ 62, 1994 4Runner, 2001 4Runner, 2006 VW TDI, 1992 Plymouth Laser, 1999 Heep of Junk Wrangler Live in the thumb of michigan? Need body repair or restorations? http://www.cococollision.com

03-18-07, 12:12 PM	#16
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	Yes..... the best american vehicle...... __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

03-18-07, 03:22 PM	#17
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	I saw one with a slant six, must be slower than shit. Think your 2nd gen 4runner is a turd, it must be horrible. The yellow one on the website had a build 360 I believe. your a power wagon fan? __________________ Kettering University Incoming Freshman 1988 FJ 62, 1994 4Runner, 2001 4Runner, 2006 VW TDI, 1992 Plymouth Laser, 1999 Heep of Junk Wrangler Live in the thumb of michigan? Need body repair or restorations? http://www.cococollision.com

03-18-07, 04:59 PM	#19
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	I can see why they slanted it. Looks very easy to work on. The exhaust is not directly under the intake stuff. The starter looks easy to get at. A good design, but I would like to know what you could do to a carb slant six. __________________ Kettering University Incoming Freshman 1988 FJ 62, 1994 4Runner, 2001 4Runner, 2006 VW TDI, 1992 Plymouth Laser, 1999 Heep of Junk Wrangler Live in the thumb of michigan? Need body repair or restorations? http://www.cococollision.com

03-18-07, 10:14 PM	#21
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	Yup, I'd own a slant 6. They probably stopped making them cause they wouldn't die..... __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

03-18-07, 11:29 PM	#22
KliersLC IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Stafford, VA Posts: 2,290	The easiest place to get a set of aisin hubs is a Junkyard. Look for a bunch of old wrecked yotas and grab the hubs off one of them. __________________ No problem, I'll just tow the pig to Salt Lake on a UHAUL trailer...... 95 T100, beater edition 01 Sequoia Limited 02 Camry--Poor replacement for an 80 "A vehicle's capabilities are inseparably linked to the mental instability of the driver"

03-19-07, 06:10 AM	#23
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	soulds like a plan, school will run my life for the next 2 months, but soon I will be able to take some time and go parts looking. maby a slant six into a 4runner??? __________________ Kettering University Incoming Freshman 1988 FJ 62, 1994 4Runner, 2001 4Runner, 2006 VW TDI, 1992 Plymouth Laser, 1999 Heep of Junk Wrangler Live in the thumb of michigan? Need body repair or restorations? http://www.cococollision.com

03-19-07, 07:31 AM	#24
r0nin89 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ TLCA# 17326 Posts: 104	So even mini truck solid axles are 27 spline? That would mean I need to find the hubs out of the junkyard off an 8in axle? __________________ 1995 Ext Cab Pickup Allpro SAS w/ toy 8in and 36x12.5 militarys to come

03-19-07, 09:40 AM	#25
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	Solid axle = 30 IFS =27 __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

03-19-07, 10:52 AM	#26
r0nin89 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ TLCA# 17326 Posts: 104	Ah ok so I'm good to go if i find hubs off any solid toyota axle for my solid front? __________________ 1995 Ext Cab Pickup Allpro SAS w/ toy 8in and 36x12.5 militarys to come