4runner front wheels squatting after sway bar removal

PurpleFJ62 · 02-28-07, 09:51 AM

My front wheels are now squatting after sway bar removal, does anyone have any tips? thanks -nate-

2ndGenToyotaFan · 02-28-07, 10:47 AM

The sway bar has nothing to do with holding the front of the truck up. It only keeps it level side to side. Is this about a truck/4Runner or your 62?

bkg · 02-28-07, 12:31 PM

define "squatting," please.

KLF · 02-28-07, 12:57 PM

Hopefully by "swaybar" they don't mean "torsion bars".

2ndGenToyotaFan · 02-28-07, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLF

Hopefully by "swaybar" they don't mean "torsion bars".

Ewwwwww.... Oh

!!!

:fingerscrossed: .......

tntoyota · 02-28-07, 05:08 PM

And explain when it happens, when you drive it, hit a bump, or if it's just plaine sitn'

PurpleFJ62 · 03-01-07, 02:15 PM

I just replaced the ball joints and shocks. As well as CV boots and such. After I am done putting it back together I leave the sway bar off. I do not have the parts needed at that time to finish that part of the job. Anyways so after I got the wheels back on and set the front end down on the floor its apparent that the botton area of the tires are farther apart than the upper area of the tires.

The wheels are not perpundicular to the ground. This is not good, because this is my winter beater and now my 62 is getting salt on it.

My 62 does not like salt very much.

bkg · 03-01-07, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleFJ62

I just replaced the ball joints and shocks. As well as CV boots and such. After I am done putting it back together I leave the sway bar off. I do not have the parts needed at that time to finish that part of the job. Anyways so after I got the wheels back on and set the front end down on the floor its apparent that the botton area of the tires are farther apart than the upper area of the tires.

The wheels are not perpundicular to the ground. This is not good, because this is my winter beater and now my 62 is getting salt on it.

My 62 does not like salt very much.

when you replaced the ball joints, did you remove the lower a-arms? Cause it sounds like you are WAY out of alignment....

PurpleFJ62 · 03-01-07, 03:27 PM

lower A arms were not removed. However I was hitting a pickle fork with a sledge hammer to pop the ball joints out. But then I was hitting it was towards the engine. So if the A arms came out of alignment I would suspect to have my alignemt situtation reversed, so the bottom of the tires are closer than the tops. I don't think you can do an alignment in your barn on the floor can you?

Do people go to the dealers for this?

How does the pivot point of the lower A arm stay "true" and not change. Is this just a matter of loosing a bolt and nut and playing with it until its right?

thanks for any help.

2ndGenToyotaFan · 03-02-07, 12:03 AM

I can't remember, is there a wrong way to put the ball joints in? I don't think so. If not, then you may just need an allignment......

WristPin · 03-02-07, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2ndGenToyotaFan

I can't remember, is there a wrong way to put the ball joints in? I don't think so. If not, then you may just need an allignment......

no you cant. the bottom ones are round, and the top has four bolts that only fit one way.

you need to take it in and spend the 50 bucks to get it alinged

bkg · 03-02-07, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WristPin

no you cant. the bottom ones are round, and the top has four bolts that only fit one way.

you need to take it in and spend the 50 bucks to get it alinged

I concur. However, unless his camber bolts were loose, there is really no way this should have have come out of alignment this far UNLESS his old ball joints were that shot... I'd like pics.

PurpleFJ62 · 03-02-07, 05:22 PM

I am computer stupid and can barley even type the words that you guys are reading. However I do have a digital camera, and kinda know how to use it. I saved the old ball joints and could show them if I could get some help setting up a photo account.

-nate-

PurpleFJ62 · 03-02-07, 05:24 PM

forgot to say I did get it aligned this morning, it is not perfect, I was told the adj. cams were maxed all the way in. Not exactly shure why whatever I did changed the steering geometry that much.

is there a place to get used/new A arms and knuckles, theres not much left of mine.

thanks again...

WristPin · 03-02-07, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleFJ62

I am computer stupid and can barley even type the words that you guys are reading. However I do have a digital camera, and kinda know how to use it. I saved the old ball joints and could show them if I could get some help setting up a photo account.

-nate-

go to www.photobucket.com and register. its easy to do. all you need is a email. once you log in you can upload pics. its easy

2ndGenToyotaFan · 03-02-07, 08:55 PM

Put up a want ad in the wanted section, I'm sure someone has all their IFS stuff from a SAS lyin' around.....

PurpleFJ62 · 03-03-07, 01:32 PM

that is an option. The fella at the alignment shop said how he felt that 4runners last alot longer than most of the suvs he services. Currently we are at a crossroads, me and my dad that is. It is his 4runner, I just work on it for him, and he helps with it now and then. He dosent want to really save it, rather drive it until it dies.

If I could find some clean parts locally that would be good, but this thing needs body work. Are 2nd gens famous for rusting out. And dont get me started about the rear tailgate design, thats where the 3rd gen really has the 2nd gen beat. Besides the engine.

I have found front door shells for 150 online, but I also need rear doors as well. Is there an aftermarket tailgate for these things, something that is built a little better and will not rust?

-nate-

2ndGenToyotaFan · 03-03-07, 03:02 PM

They rust at the wheel wells, the bottom of the rear 1/4's and the bottom of the tail gate usually..... You live in MI though..... so if you fix it, it will come back. Do you have any pics of how bad it is?

PurpleFJ62 · 03-03-07, 04:18 PM

let me try to get a account at this photobucket thing, then you will see.

PurpleFJ62 · 03-03-07, 04:35 PM

PurpleFJ62 · 03-03-07, 04:36 PM

shit!!!

PurpleFJ62 · 03-03-07, 04:38 PM

help.....................

2ndGenToyotaFan · 03-03-07, 04:49 PM

Oh Hell! Those aren't even holes yet!!!! What are you whining about?

I say give repairing them a shot.

cruiser88 · 03-03-07, 04:51 PM

a new aftermarket bumper

to get rid of that rust,and for heavens sakes take off those mudflaps.they are rust magnets.and yea just repair that panel, does not look bad

PurpleFJ62 · 03-03-07, 05:17 PM

you can see the pics, I cannot. And yes the rust is bad, very bad, and in the last couple of winter months here in michigan have made alot of those rust patches into full blown holes. Does anyone have any clean rear doors for sale?

cruiser88 · 03-03-07, 05:21 PM

you may want to try ttora its another toyota site like this but they have alot more minis,tacos and such.thats where i bought my four runner threw

cruiser88 · 03-03-07, 05:22 PM

here ya go

thats if nobody chims up here on mud

cruiser88 · 03-03-07, 05:24 PM

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/ sorry

02-28-07, 09:51 AM	#1
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	4runner front wheels squatting after sway bar removal My front wheels are now squatting after sway bar removal, does anyone have any tips? thanks -nate-

02-28-07, 10:47 AM	#2
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	The sway bar has nothing to do with holding the front of the truck up. It only keeps it level side to side. Is this about a truck/4Runner or your 62? __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

02-28-07, 12:31 PM	#3
bkg IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 547	define "squatting," please. __________________ Brian K. Gallus

02-28-07, 12:57 PM	#4
KLF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Barrington, NH Posts: 1,920	Hopefully by "swaybar" they don't mean "torsion bars". __________________ KB1OSF '87 Toyota xcab SR5 - SAS'd, stuff '98 Lexus ES300 '04 Toyota Highlander

03-02-07, 12:03 AM	#10
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	I can't remember, is there a wrong way to put the ball joints in? I don't think so. If not, then you may just need an allignment...... __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

02-28-07, 05:08 PM	#6
tntoyota Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nashville TN...But I miss Richlands NC Posts: 1,195	And explain when it happens, when you drive it, hit a bump, or if it's just plaine sitn'

03-01-07, 02:15 PM	#7
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	I just replaced the ball joints and shocks. As well as CV boots and such. After I am done putting it back together I leave the sway bar off. I do not have the parts needed at that time to finish that part of the job. Anyways so after I got the wheels back on and set the front end down on the floor its apparent that the botton area of the tires are farther apart than the upper area of the tires. The wheels are not perpundicular to the ground. This is not good, because this is my winter beater and now my 62 is getting salt on it. My 62 does not like salt very much.

03-01-07, 03:27 PM	#9
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	lower A arms were not removed. However I was hitting a pickle fork with a sledge hammer to pop the ball joints out. But then I was hitting it was towards the engine. So if the A arms came out of alignment I would suspect to have my alignemt situtation reversed, so the bottom of the tires are closer than the tops. I don't think you can do an alignment in your barn on the floor can you? Do people go to the dealers for this? How does the pivot point of the lower A arm stay "true" and not change. Is this just a matter of loosing a bolt and nut and playing with it until its right? thanks for any help.

03-02-07, 05:22 PM	#13
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	I am computer stupid and can barley even type the words that you guys are reading. However I do have a digital camera, and kinda know how to use it. I saved the old ball joints and could show them if I could get some help setting up a photo account. -nate-

03-02-07, 05:24 PM	#14
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	forgot to say I did get it aligned this morning, it is not perfect, I was told the adj. cams were maxed all the way in. Not exactly shure why whatever I did changed the steering geometry that much. is there a place to get used/new A arms and knuckles, theres not much left of mine. thanks again...

03-02-07, 08:55 PM	#16
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	Put up a want ad in the wanted section, I'm sure someone has all their IFS stuff from a SAS lyin' around..... __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

03-03-07, 01:32 PM	#17
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	that is an option. The fella at the alignment shop said how he felt that 4runners last alot longer than most of the suvs he services. Currently we are at a crossroads, me and my dad that is. It is his 4runner, I just work on it for him, and he helps with it now and then. He dosent want to really save it, rather drive it until it dies. If I could find some clean parts locally that would be good, but this thing needs body work. Are 2nd gens famous for rusting out. And dont get me started about the rear tailgate design, thats where the 3rd gen really has the 2nd gen beat. Besides the engine. I have found front door shells for 150 online, but I also need rear doors as well. Is there an aftermarket tailgate for these things, something that is built a little better and will not rust? -nate-

03-03-07, 03:02 PM	#18
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	They rust at the wheel wells, the bottom of the rear 1/4's and the bottom of the tail gate usually..... You live in MI though..... so if you fix it, it will come back. Do you have any pics of how bad it is? __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

03-03-07, 04:18 PM	#19
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	let me try to get a account at this photobucket thing, then you will see.

03-03-07, 04:35 PM	#20
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302

03-03-07, 04:36 PM	#21
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	shit!!!

03-03-07, 04:38 PM	#22
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	help.....................

03-03-07, 04:49 PM	#23
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	Oh Hell! Those aren't even holes yet!!!! What are you whining about? I say give repairing them a shot. __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

03-03-07, 04:51 PM	#24
cruiser88 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: over here TLCA# 17319 Posts: 7,640	a new aftermarket bumper to get rid of that rust,and for heavens sakes take off those mudflaps.they are rust magnets.and yea just repair that panel, does not look bad __________________ ByPhilC64 Dig the anger on on the bacon sammich chaser. You being angry is like Boy George not trying to be gay. Go play with your 2 inch line, some hand cream and a sock. You'll feel better.

03-03-07, 05:17 PM	#25
PurpleFJ62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dexter Michigan Posts: 302	you can see the pics, I cannot. And yes the rust is bad, very bad, and in the last couple of winter months here in michigan have made alot of those rust patches into full blown holes. Does anyone have any clean rear doors for sale?

03-03-07, 05:21 PM	#26
cruiser88 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: over here TLCA# 17319 Posts: 7,640	you may want to try ttora its another toyota site like this but they have alot more minis,tacos and such.thats where i bought my four runner threw __________________ ByPhilC64 Dig the anger on on the bacon sammich chaser. You being angry is like Boy George not trying to be gay. Go play with your 2 inch line, some hand cream and a sock. You'll feel better.

03-03-07, 05:22 PM	#27
cruiser88 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: over here TLCA# 17319 Posts: 7,640	here ya gothats if nobody chims up here on mud __________________ ByPhilC64 Dig the anger on on the bacon sammich chaser. You being angry is like Boy George not trying to be gay. Go play with your 2 inch line, some hand cream and a sock. You'll feel better.

03-03-07, 05:24 PM	#28
cruiser88 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: over here TLCA# 17319 Posts: 7,640	http://www.tacomaterritory.com/ sorry __________________ ByPhilC64 Dig the anger on on the bacon sammich chaser. You being angry is like Boy George not trying to be gay. Go play with your 2 inch line, some hand cream and a sock. You'll feel better.

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