Would you buy this 87?+PICS+

[tntoyota]

Offer them $5-$600 and take it home.

[KLF]

Originally Posted by Tracker

Nope didn't buy it yet.
I'm thinking I should look for a 85 4runner or xtra cab instead.

Well, this is a quandry, but only because I'd never buy a regular cab truck in this vintage. I'm a small guy (5'-6"), and my GF is even smaller, and it's cramped in there, even in my Xtra cab. Not enough places to put stuff that you need access to: road munchies, iPod, GPS, CB mic, drinks, cell phone, etc.

But I wouldn't hold out for a SFA truck. Older means more rust, more potential for problems, and frankly I think you're better off starting with an IFS truck that you do a SAS on, for several reasons. I've owned both, and I prefer my SAS'd '87.

[Tracker]

Well.............I bought it.
I looked it over again, no rust except the fenders. I said I wanted to hear it run. His jump pack would not do it so I pulled out the cables and jumped it off my truck. It fired right up. Locked the hubs, put it in 4hi, and its crawled right out of the snow bank it was parked in. I offered him $800,
he said he had a grand into it and that's what he needed out of it,
I said I'll give you $900 cash.
He thought about it a couple min. and said ok.
I'm gonna pick it up Thurs. night.
Here are some more picks.

[tntoyota]

I would do this and cosider it as regular mainenince.

Get youself a garden sprayer fill with some type of oil spray the under with it.

seperatly, usually as soon as I buy something I get a can of WD40

Go to town on all rubber and mechanical parts

Door locks/latches/hinges

weather striping dust seals boots etc. you get the point.

[KLF]

Nicely done, congrats. That last pic of the frame is very reassuring, looks better than I expected.

Now take that stupid poser NWOR rear axle truss thing off and toss it in the trash. Probably those torque arm thingys too, I doubt they do any good. Cut the tips of the U-bolts off while you're under there, a cutoff wheel in a grinder works really well for this. I hope the spare tire winch still works, if so lower it down and grease/lube the hell out of it.

Start buying parts. Welcome to the madness. It's a sickness that you won't want to be cured.

["N8"]

ya and that front diff drop bracket should be happy in the trash next to that rear axle truss.

get her going and post lotsa photos!!!

[Tracker]

I bring it home thursday night. The first thing will be to fix the rear and then I gotta get tires. The 35's that are on it are worn pretty good and they are dry rotted pretty bad. Once thats done then its time to rip and tare.
Someone earlier said to lock 1 hub and turn the DS, I did that and it would not spin.
You guys like EFI better than a Carb?? Why?
Anyone close by have any tires 4-sale....cheap?

[toyotaman22r]

efi has 20 more hp and it'll run at steeper angles. Have you thought about an sas? I dont know if i missed it in earlier posts but...the truck would be a good candidate. Also maybe a flat bed??? its up to you. just my 2 cents.

[Tracker]

I plan to fix the rear and get some new/better tires and run it. I want to "surf" around on here and get more info before I make any plans. I've been reading the flatbed thread on pirate4x4, I like what I'm seeing and it looks very easy to make one. I'm putting that on my list of things to do.

[toyotaman22r]

cool...you can learn alot by cruisin the forums and asking questions.

[WristPin]

cant be a carrier bearing making noise. Only extended cabs have those.
For 800 bucks, its a score. rust-smush. if any of the rusty parts break, its excuse to beef it up anymore.
buy it.
buy it.
buy it.
buy it.

[Tracker]

buy it.

I did, I pick it up tomorrow afternoon.
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A couple questions.
What year rears will bolt in the 87 ??
I used to have an 82, I put 5:29's in it. I think I might still have the original gears out of the 82.
Will they work in an 87??
I think I would rather find a whole rear and just swap it right now. I know there is a 82 or 83 longbed rotting away down the road from my house. I think I could get it cheap but need to know if I could swap the whole rear axle into my 87 without any mods.

Thanks
Aaron

[KLF]

If by "rear" you mean the differential, then yes this will swap in no problem. If you still have the gears from your '82, they should fit in your differential, but it would cost a lot more to have them installed than it would be to just get another entire differential. Open 4 cyl diffs with 4.10s are cheap, I've had to give them away just to get rid of them sometimes.

I wouldn't bother with that other truck, if all you need is a differential. The rear axle is different, narrower and the brakes are not as good as what you have now (drums are smaller on the older trucks).

Before you start buying parts to fix it, find out what's wrong with it now. Then go from there. It might just be a U-joint in the driveshaft.

[Tracker]

Thanks for the info.

Yeah I'm gonna check it out first but it doesn't sound too good, Its not a U-joint, I hope its just the bearing behind the yoke.
If I still have the gears it won't cost much to fix. A freind of mine knows how to swap em and adjust the backlash and all that stuff. It might cost me a case of .

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

The IFS front gears are 7.5 inch, and gears for an 8 inch diff (Front and rear on solid axle trucks) will not work.

Is it me, or are these tires pointed funny?

[Tracker]

Your right, it does look funky.
It looks like the left front tire is still somewhat straight. I think its just the picture though. Look at the pic I took of the rear from the rear, both wheels are turned to the right. I will double check it when I pick it up tomorrow BEFORE I give him the $$$$.

What could/would it be if it is out of wack??

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

I think it's the picture too.... An optical illusion. If it were out of wack, it would just need the tie rods adjusted.

[Tracker]

Man, don't scare me like that!
I don't want any surprizes untill after I get it home.

[Bear80]

It's the Rancho arms. The angled arms are now very sensative to tow adjustment. This is the best pic I got short hand:

Notice the drivers is turned more to the left than the passengers side.

[tntoyota]

Originally Posted by Tracker

I bring it home thursday night. The first thing will be to fix the rear and then I gotta get tires. The 35's that are on it are worn pretty good and they are dry rotted pretty bad. Once thats done then its time to rip and tare.
Someone earlier said to lock 1 hub and turn the DS, I did that and it would not spin.
You guys like EFI better than a Carb?? Why?
Anyone close by have any tires 4-sale....cheap?

IF, you did this with the TC in 2Hi (will NOT work in neutral or 4wd)and indeed it did not spin, I'd say you got somethin there, what it is I can not comment on
But none the less a traction aiding device.


Worst case cenario is somebody welded the stock front diff.

Best case senario is somebody put 4:88's with a pocket locker, Detroit locker, or a Detroit TrueTrac in the front, either way some one did something to it
consider this when you "swap" the rear.

IOW check the front or rear so you know exactaly what to replace it with.

Ask others but I am sure you can turn the front shaft and count how many times the (C.V) shaft turns this will give you an idea(done accuratly exactaly) what gear is in the front.

[tntoyota]

Originally Posted by toyotaman22r

efi has 20 more hp and it'll run at steeper angles. Have you thought about an sas? I dont know if i missed it in earlier posts but...the truck would be a good candidate. Also maybe a flat bed??? its up to you. just my 2 cents.

IF, it's EFI you got a sweat deal.(and transfer case)



EFI motors last longer, waaay longer than carbies
better fuel economy & power


Before any one asks it runs at it's optimum mixture at all times, try that with a carburator.

Here it comes I can feel it..............

[KliersLC]

Originally Posted by tntoyota

Before any one asks it runs at it's optimum mixture at all times, try that with a carburator.

Here it comes I can feel it..............

Negative Ghostrider,

It tries to run at optimum and misses the mark constantly. Little rich, little lean, little rich, etc....

[tntoyota]

Originally Posted by KliersLC

It tries to run at optimum and misses the mark constantly. Little rich, little lean, little rich, etc....

But at least (6/10th of a secound) it's adjusting or compensating.

You'd look real good with a screwdriver under the hood driving around all the time doin that


So that's why all those carbie cylinder walls allways wear better than the EFI's
And the ring's

[Tracker]

IF, you did this with the TC in 2Hi (will NOT work in neutral or 4wd)and indeed it did not spin, I'd say you got somethin there, what it is I can not comment on
But none the less a traction aiding device.

I had it in 2hi.

Ask others but I am sure you can turn the front shaft and count how many times the (C.V) shaft turns this will give you an idea(done accuratly exactaly) what gear is in the front.

You mark and count the drive shaft rev. PER one rev. of the tire.
Is that correct??

I'm thinking it has lower gears. When the guy at the lot tried to pull out of the snow bank it was parked in, the left rear tire was on pavement and started spinning with little effort. I locked the hubs and he put it in 4hi and it walked right out.
I'm thinking its nothing major, I hope its just the pinion bearing, so I hope it has 5:29's .
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Its not EFI. I was kinda glad it was not. I'm older and grew up tinkering with my cars and trucks. That was the mid 80's and computers were around, but I had older carbed vehicles.
I have a few Eclipses and hate working on the because of all the little sensers and crap. I just sold my GSX (awd turbo) and kept the RS (non-turbo w/NOS) and a parts car. This past summer I had the motors out of the GSX and the RS, that was not fun at all.

Here is my 67 dodge dart GT, 340 4-speed, 2 carter 4-barrels.


Here is a pic of the GSX and RS.
I hate computers.

[tntoyota]

02-12-07 12:44 AM
tntoyota put a 20R head on it, header, carb? On webber snorkle is cheap. Dead reliable....cheap.....(20/22R) D.U.I Davis Unified Ignition . Fuel consumption? Weight? Range? (MPG) Cam it. Have i broke a $1,000 yet? IMHO @150 H.P, stroker crank, You said 22r right? Shall I continue?
IH8W8

[Tracker]

I drove it home tonight.
What a mistake though.

It was only 6 or 8 miles, BUT half way home 3rd gear stopped working Then I was about 1&1/2 miles from the driveway and the rear quit turning, not that big of a deal it was shot anyway. I had to lock the hubs and drive home in front wheel drive.
It looks like I need a tranny now too. I guess I should have rollbacked it.
Its in the garage and I'll mess with it tomorrow.

[KLF]

Doh!!

Well, if you can wait a month or so for me to get my R151F rebuilt and installed, I'll have a nice W56 available.

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

Bah! No worries man! We'll get you through this! Skipping 3rd will get you around for a while. Plus KLF has already got you covered there!

I'd suggest you pull the rear apart and see what's going on.

Did the rear make any bad noises before it gave up?

[Tracker]

Did the rear make any bad noises before it gave up

Yeah it was binding and clunking pretty bad, but is sounded that way before I left the lot. It reminded me of a spooled rear, the binding was worse around corners.
I posted a want ad on a PA based board and someone contacted me and said they have a complete rear off an 87 4-runner for sale. He said it has 4:10's, I thought 4-runners had 4:56's.

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

4:56 were in the automatics.... 4:10's were in the manuals

Check what ratio you have in the front:

http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/4R_TechI...oDetermination

Just to make sure you get a rear to match.