92 4x4 22RE steady skip after new timing chain?

phocus · 02-04-07, 01:34 PM

Just bought a new project, 92 PU 22RE 137,000 miles, previous owner just replaced the timing chain (he says it was just noisey and did not brake at high speed) . It has a steady skip at any speed, it does idle well, but has no power. It will do 55 mph struggling along.
Could he be off one spoke on the cam gear?, Or maybe something else? What would you check first, second, etc?

"N8" · 02-05-07, 11:18 AM

only way I would think to really know is to rip the front side off and set the engine to top dead center and see if the valves are not congruent with the piston.

2ndGenToyotaFan · 02-05-07, 04:44 PM

You can tell with just the valve cover off.... The timing mark on the cam shaft should be at about 11:30 when the engine's at TDC.

toyrunner · 02-05-07, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "N8"

only way I would think to really know is to rip the front side off and set the engine to top dead center and see if the valves are not congruent with the piston.

I don't think so. Too much work to do that

Set the timing mark to TDC and pull the valve cover. The front cylinder(#1) will be at TDC and the rockers should be loose on the intake and exhaust valves.
The cam locating pin should be at 12:00 position and the dimple on the cam gear about 11:30.
The distributor adjusting bolt should be about in the middle of the elongated slot if it is in the right location teeth wise.
Good luck.
Danny

phocus · 02-05-07, 08:26 PM

Ok, Thanks guys, I checked the chain, its on the mark. So I got the compression gauge out, #4 120, #3 120, #2 110, #1 60. So I guess I have bent valves on cylinder #1. I have never replaced a head, so I will keep you fellows posted on my progress.

2ndGenToyotaFan · 02-05-07, 11:09 PM

I'd check your valve clearences while you're in there looking at timing, you could just have a tight valve that's not seating completely....

cruiser88 · 02-05-07, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2ndGenToyotaFan

I'd check your valve clearences while you're in there looking at timing, you could just have a tight valve that's not seating completely....

ya that would explain the lack of power.and do a wet test also

phocus · 02-07-07, 08:05 AM

Well, I adjusted the valves, set the timing, and it runs alot better. I checked my local head rebuilder, he said $150 for repair and $350 for rebuild. So I am just going to ride a while like it is.

2ndGenToyotaFan · 02-07-07, 10:01 AM

Good, I'm glad we could help.

toyrunner · 02-07-07, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phocus

Ok, Thanks guys, I checked the chain, its on the mark. So I got the compression gauge out, #4 120, #3 120, #2 110, #1 60. So I guess I have bent valves on cylinder #1. I have never replaced a head, so I will keep you fellows posted on my progress.

Now that the valves are adjusted and the timing reset, is it still missing? Do another compression test, compare the numbers.
Danny

toyrunner · 02-07-07, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phocus

Well, I adjusted the valves, set the timing, and it runs alot better. I checked my local head rebuilder, he said $150 for repair and $350 for rebuild. So I am just going to ride a while like it is.

ENGNBLDR.com has heads for; Stock $388.00 FULLY ASSEMBLED with NEW Valves, springs, guides/seals, 30.00 shipping, new casting and all. I would drop the coin there instead of a rebuild.
I have replaced several 22RE heads with engnbldr heads and the quality is unsurpassable

phocus · 02-20-07, 07:09 PM

Well she just won't go down the road like she should , no getup and go. I ordered the headgasket and timing chain kit from engbldr, and here I go!

davefj40 · 02-23-07, 06:50 AM

the dist goes in like 5 degrees BTDC if i remember, i put it in at TDC the first time and it wouldn't start/run right.

dave

phocus · 02-26-07, 04:11 PM

Here is a picture of my truck.

phocus · 02-26-07, 04:14 PM

and another

phocus · 02-26-07, 04:17 PM

OK, got the old head off, I made the mistake of trying to remove, intake and head all at once (I read a post here somewhere, says you can ), Believe me you can't do it without a hoist. I will try to post another pic.

phocus · 02-26-07, 04:19 PM

In this picture I am looking for a bent valve, or a problem on #1. (no compression)

phocus · 02-26-07, 04:21 PM

And here is the head laying in the floor.

Well maybe not, I exceeded my quota? Is that per day?

phocus · 02-26-07, 04:23 PM

I think I got this picture thing figured out!

phocus · 02-28-07, 04:28 PM

Ok, only had one problem removing head (not counting the hidden allen head bolt) I rounded the head off on one of the head bolts, had to break out the sawzall, then put the trusty vise grips on it, came right out.

phocus · 02-28-07, 04:29 PM

Time to clean the block.

Isotel · 02-28-07, 04:55 PM

my brother Broke the Chain on his 89 Runner this weekend, so im going to be helping him tear into it soon.. We found a new Head localy for $300..

Im wondering what the best way to go about finding out if the valves are bent?? i dont think i could test the compression without the new chain on?

Thanks for the step by step!
Trevor

2ndGenToyotaFan · 02-28-07, 05:43 PM

No chain, no compression. The only way to tell if you bent the valves is to dig in!

At least to the valve cover. You can turn the cam over by hand and watch all the valve stems to see if they come up all the way..... But you could have bent one very slightly..... So pull the head.

phocus · 02-28-07, 05:49 PM

That might be the reason I own this truck today. The owner replaced the chain, but it ran like a 3 legged dog afterwards. He did not want any more wrench turning.

I can not think of a way to test the valves with the head still on.

My head rebuilder, put a compression test on my suspect # 1 cylinder (from the exhaust port I think) it failed.

phocus · 03-01-07, 03:54 PM

Ok, Got my rebuilt head, here local.

phocus · 03-02-07, 06:58 PM

Hey Check it out, head is on!

Ben the supervisor hovers over!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...u/DSC00093.jpg

phocus · 03-04-07, 07:17 AM

Take note! Make sure you put your oil pump drive gear on this way!,,,lol

phocus · 03-04-07, 05:05 PM

Got it back together, she fired up on the first spin.

only 3 problems, 3 water leaks. Had to remove the intake, loosen the water connections, add the permatex (i forgot), put it back together again.

And all with only one bolt left over, and hey I even know where it goes, It just will not thread in the hole..

Man, I'm I glad I don't do this for a living, I'm an older fellow and I have sore spots everywhere.

I will adjust those valves again in a couple of days, but she runs great.

2ndGenToyotaFan · 03-04-07, 06:44 PM

Glad to hear it went smoothishly....

The good news is you won't have to do it for 10 more years!!! You may want to start resting up!

phocus · 03-05-07, 06:26 PM

Check it out,,,shiny link on the dot,,,color coded bolt heads!

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02-20-07, 07:09 PM	#12
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	I'm back with trouble Well she just won't go down the road like she should , no getup and go. I ordered the headgasket and timing chain kit from engbldr, and here I go! Last edited by phocus; 02-26-07 at 05:36 PM.

02-26-07, 04:11 PM	#14
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	Here is a picture of my truck. Last edited by phocus; 02-26-07 at 05:43 PM.

02-26-07, 04:14 PM	#15
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	and another Last edited by phocus; 02-26-07 at 05:43 PM.

02-04-07, 01:34 PM	#1
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	92 4x4 22RE steady skip after new timing chain? Just bought a new project, 92 PU 22RE 137,000 miles, previous owner just replaced the timing chain (he says it was just noisey and did not brake at high speed) . It has a steady skip at any speed, it does idle well, but has no power. It will do 55 mph struggling along. Could he be off one spoke on the cam gear?, Or maybe something else? What would you check first, second, etc?

02-05-07, 11:18 AM	#2
"N8" IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Boston Ma Posts: 437	only way I would think to really know is to rip the front side off and set the engine to top dead center and see if the valves are not congruent with the piston. __________________ -Nate 88 PU long bed, pro comp 33's All Pro rear suspension Toyota factory e-locker 4/88's And a whole lot of dents contributed solely by new england's natural flora and fauna (mostly responsible is one species of flora... pine) (and the elusive new england delivery truck)

02-05-07, 04:44 PM	#3
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	You can tell with just the valve cover off.... The timing mark on the cam shaft should be at about 11:30 when the engine's at TDC. __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

02-05-07, 08:26 PM	#5
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	Ok, Thanks guys, I checked the chain, its on the mark. So I got the compression gauge out, #4 120, #3 120, #2 110, #1 60. So I guess I have bent valves on cylinder #1. I have never replaced a head, so I will keep you fellows posted on my progress.

02-07-07, 08:05 AM	#8
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	Well, I adjusted the valves, set the timing, and it runs alot better. I checked my local head rebuilder, he said $150 for repair and $350 for rebuild. So I am just going to ride a while like it is.

02-23-07, 06:50 AM	#13
davefj40 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: fairhill maryland Posts: 82	the dist goes in like 5 degrees BTDC if i remember, i put it in at TDC the first time and it wouldn't start/run right. dave

02-26-07, 04:17 PM	#16
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	OK, got the old head off, I made the mistake of trying to remove, intake and head all at once (I read a post here somewhere, says you can ), Believe me you can't do it without a hoist. I will try to post another pic. Last edited by phocus; 02-26-07 at 05:44 PM.

02-26-07, 04:19 PM	#17
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	In this picture I am looking for a bent valve, or a problem on #1. (no compression) Last edited by phocus; 02-26-07 at 05:44 PM.

02-26-07, 04:21 PM	#18
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	And here is the head laying in the floor. Well maybe not, I exceeded my quota? Is that per day?

02-26-07, 04:23 PM	#19
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	I think I got this picture thing figured out! Last edited by phocus; 02-26-07 at 05:38 PM.

02-28-07, 04:28 PM	#20
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	Ok, only had one problem removing head (not counting the hidden allen head bolt) I rounded the head off on one of the head bolts, had to break out the sawzall, then put the trusty vise grips on it, came right out.

02-28-07, 04:29 PM	#21
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	Time to clean the block.

02-28-07, 04:55 PM	#22
Isotel IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crawlorado.com TLCA# 16898 Posts: 3,024	my brother Broke the Chain on his 89 Runner this weekend, so im going to be helping him tear into it soon.. We found a new Head localy for $300.. Im wondering what the best way to go about finding out if the valves are bent?? i dont think i could test the compression without the new chain on? Thanks for the step by step! Trevor __________________ 1976 FJ40 TBI350 700R4 D300 SOA Locked 37" PBR's Protected by REDLINE Colorado Land Cruisers - Club Redline Land Cruisers - PM me for info on our products or to order! CrAwLoRadO.com

02-28-07, 05:43 PM	#23
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	No chain, no compression. The only way to tell if you bent the valves is to dig in! At least to the valve cover. You can turn the cam over by hand and watch all the valve stems to see if they come up all the way..... But you could have bent one very slightly..... So pull the head. __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

02-28-07, 05:49 PM	#24
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	That might be the reason I own this truck today. The owner replaced the chain, but it ran like a 3 legged dog afterwards. He did not want any more wrench turning. I can not think of a way to test the valves with the head still on. My head rebuilder, put a compression test on my suspect # 1 cylinder (from the exhaust port I think) it failed.

03-01-07, 03:54 PM	#25
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	Ok, Got my rebuilt head, here local.

03-02-07, 06:58 PM	#26
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	Hey Check it out, head is on! Ben the supervisor hovers over! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...u/DSC00093.jpg Last edited by phocus; 03-03-07 at 06:26 AM.

03-04-07, 07:17 AM	#27
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	Take note! Make sure you put your oil pump drive gear on this way!,,,lol

03-04-07, 05:05 PM	#28
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	Got it back together, she fired up on the first spin. only 3 problems, 3 water leaks. Had to remove the intake, loosen the water connections, add the permatex (i forgot), put it back together again. And all with only one bolt left over, and hey I even know where it goes, It just will not thread in the hole.. Man, I'm I glad I don't do this for a living, I'm an older fellow and I have sore spots everywhere. I will adjust those valves again in a couple of days, but she runs great.

03-04-07, 06:44 PM	#29
2ndGenToyotaFan No longer pre-approved... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Yreka, CA TLCA# 13872 Sign Up!!! You know you want to! Posts: 3,928	Glad to hear it went smoothishly.... The good news is you won't have to do it for 10 more years!!! You may want to start resting up! __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers

03-05-07, 06:26 PM	#30
phocus IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, GA TLCA# 17968 Posts: 167	Check it out,,,shiny link on the dot,,,color coded bolt heads!