Need some Motor Suggestions

[JuttyShabango]

Guys,

Picking up a 85 Mini truck (very, very well built) just want to swap out the 22r for something better.

4.3 Vortec or the 2.7 Taco Motor?

Everything is done...on this truck but it needs more angry squirrels under the hood or more Ass...

What is your suggestions for a motor swap. 5 speed G52 trans.

[85 SA Toy]

3.4 taco engine........ That is a nice swap....... I think you would have ot get another trans but that would be a great swap!

[JuttyShabango]

3.4 drool....will have to do some diggin'...definately would like to keep it Toyota Motor if possible.

Have to dig up that old issue of 4wd Toyota owners mag that went thru all the details of the available motors...just can't find the damn issue...UGHHHH

[bkg]

Originally Posted by JuttyShabango

3.4 drool....will have to do some diggin'...definately would like to keep it Toyota Motor if possible.

Have to dig up that old issue of 4wd Toyota owners mag that went thru all the details of the available motors...just can't find the damn issue...UGHHHH

Given that it's currently a 22re, I'd go with a later 2.7. With the W59 bellhousing, you can bolt it up to the existing tranny (I hope it's a W56, the G52 is pretty weak). A 3.4 is a wonderful swap, but will require a different tranny as well, so the price adds up quickly. Most of the people doing the 2.7 swaps have been extremely happy with them.

[85 SA Toy]

The r150 I beleive that came mated to any of the 3.slows will bolt up to the 3.4 but for the amount of time and money I would rather go 3.4 than 2.7....... I am going to do a 4.3 tbi swap into my truck already have the engine and 700r4 trans... wiring harness, computer what not, but still need the adapters.....

[tntoyota]

put a 20R head on it, header, carb? On webber snorkle is cheap. Dead reliable....cheap.....(20/22R) D.U.I Davis Unified Ignition . Fuel consumption? Weight? Range? (MPG) Cam it. Have i broke a $1,000 yet? IMHO @150 H.P, stroker crank, You said 22r right? Shall I continue?
IH8W8

[JuttyShabango]

Originally Posted by tntoyota

put a 20R head on it, header, carb? On webber snorkle is cheap. Dead reliable....cheap.....(20/22R) D.U.I Davis Unified Ignition . Fuel consumption? Weight? Range? (MPG) Cam it. Have i broke a $1,000 yet? IMHO @150 H.P, stroker crank, You said 22r right? Shall I continue?
IH8W8

Hmm...adding up all the parts and cost of the 3.4 I'd be in 4K probably by the time it's all done.

Have had some time to DD drive this for a couple weeks now and wheel it (drove there on the freeway) and think the you may be on to something here.

It only needs a bit more ass to get down the road better..

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

Here's some reading for you:

http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showfl...=&fpart=1&vc=1

[Yota Tony]

3B Cruiser Diesel with a turbo.
Torque and gas mileage.

[JuttyShabango]

Originally Posted by 2ndGenToyotaFan

Here's some reading for you:

http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showfl...=&fpart=1&vc=1

Anything from that site is good readin'...thank you sir. Will check that out.

[JuttyShabango]

Originally Posted by Yota Tony

3B Cruiser Diesel with a turbo.
Torque and gas mileage.

When I first thought..new motor..the diesals were high on the list and quickly ruled them out due to price and difficulty of install.

But now..weighing all the costs..they are right back up there with the 3.4 swap.

And I'm a super-fickle bitch when it comes to mods so this ought to really confuse me

[2ndGenToyotaFan]

That link is to some info from Ted at Engnbldr.com He's the man! I know the diesel sickness..... Hehehe I want torque and MPG!!

[JuttyShabango]

Originally Posted by 2ndGenToyotaFan

That link is to some info from Ted at Engnbldr.com He's the man! I know the diesel sickness..... Hehehe I want torque and MPG!!

Wow!! 1500.00 is damn cheap. I need to write down all my options and a list of Pros and Cons and make a choice.

I like what he wrote..

[tntoyota]

$1,500 for what? A Diesel? If so elaborate. If Diesel nothing to think about GO DIESEL!!! So its sluggish you'll double MPG! Low end no gas can give.

[WristPin]

would be cool to slap a 7MGTE in there.

[JuttyShabango]

Originally Posted by tntoyota

$1,500 for what? A Diesel? If so elaborate. If Diesel nothing to think about GO DIESEL!!! So its sluggish you'll double MPG! Low end no gas can give.

I wish..it was 1500.00 for a 140+ hp 22r according to the article.

Having an Oil Hammer in there would be the shiznit..damn...

[JuttyShabango]

Originally Posted by WristPin

would be cool to slap a 7MGTE in there.

We had a club member do that and ran into some cooling issues plus the turbo offers little at low end..

But gettin' down the road though..

[tntoyota]

See 4runner/surf 3.0 diesel thread


Buy the Cummings 4bt powered T400 trans bread truck on ebay for $4k.

Recycle the body for $4k (IF ALUM.) then vewala. wala....no..vwela..aw heck!

Get a 205 T.C throw in a doubler, garnish with V6 diffs.........

wonder what rear diff it has? Hmm.....

NO computers
NO (insert all gas engine charictoristics here)
YES great excuse to buy a snorkle
IH8W8

[thefatkid]

The weight of a 4bt is not worth it in a mini truck. The long block weight is over 600lbs, not including the tranny.

You have a g52 tranny, this is worth swaping out now. A w56 is an easy swap, just get one with a t-case attached because you can't reuse the forward shift t-case with the w56. Now that you have a w56 you could do a 7mge or gte, these will bolt up to the w56 and use stock style clutch parts. Or you could try a 3rz, 150hp 4cyl, not too bad of a engine. Get a 3rz and a belhousing for the w59 and swap them in.

A swap for under 2500 is going to be hard, even using a 350 or 4.3, A 3rz would keep the weight the same and give you good power. A built 22re could almost give you the same power as a 3rz and you might be able to get out for cheaper.

[tntoyota]

Don't forget this trans fatkid.

I once had a 2x4 T100 that had a 3RZ and factory R150 trans.

Get a V6 (HD) 5sp cheap, so it's got a chain drive case it's a little bit lower in gear ratio.

Later go with Turbo 1-2-3-gears(R151) 4:89 1st?

PS There are 2, two, 3RZ's one with distributer.One with coil pacs. Hard learned the coil pac head does NOT have a distributor hole..............
PEACE OUT.

"Bell housing" IS implied

IH8W8

[JuttyShabango]

Originally Posted by thefatkid

The weight of a 4bt is not worth it in a mini truck. The long block weight is over 600lbs, not including the tranny.

You have a g52 tranny, this is worth swaping out now. A w56 is an easy swap, just get one with a t-case attached because you can't reuse the forward shift t-case with the w56. Now that you have a w56 you could do a 7mge or gte, these will bolt up to the w56 and use stock style clutch parts. Or you could try a 3rz, 150hp 4cyl, not too bad of a engine. Get a 3rz and a belhousing for the w59 and swap them in.

A swap for under 2500 is going to be hard, even using a 350 or 4.3, A 3rz would keep the weight the same and give you good power. A built 22re could almost give you the same power as a 3rz and you might be able to get out for cheaper.

22re could be an affordable option and did not know the 4b is a long block..I can imagine drive line issues with the rear shaft and length.

The 3rz is the 2.7?

Originally Posted by tntoyota

See 4runner/surf 3.0 diesel thread


Buy the Cummings 4bt powered T400 trans bread truck on ebay for $4k.

Recycle the body for $4k (IF ALUM.) then vewala. wala....no..vwela..aw heck!

Get a 205 T.C throw in a doubler, garnish with V6 diffs.........

wonder what rear diff it has? Hmm.....

NO computers
NO (insert all gas engine charictoristics here)
YES great excuse to buy a snorkle
IH8W8

Comin' up with the initial coin may rule that one out

[tntoyota]

Just playing,

You get the point though.

Play with sumpn in your mind sumtimes things don't cost as much as people think, don't listen to people that don't know how to buy or even source parts.


I'm a poor boy, it's in my blood to "budget" sumpin those L.C 80 boys can't wait to put a V12 Viper motor or a $10,000 JDM Diesel in theire stuff, come on.

Break down in the middle of nowhere with a custom machined part.(?)

Youre, SOL

If diesel and gas got into a fight who would win?

Just my opinion try'n to help.
IH8W8

[2damslow]

Got a rolled 91 4x4 with the 5speed stick and tcase still in it. It had the 3.0 v6 too, so I know the trans can handle that 4.3

Food for thought

[Yota Tony]

IIRC my buddy paid $800 for his 3B complete.