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What about the Lincoln ProMig 175? It's usually quite a bit cheaper than other 175 units (don't look at that 175 though, look at the actual output, which IIRC is 130amps on that unit, maybe 150, can't remember, but compare those numbers when comparing models. Companies like to give a bigger model # because it sounds good. For example, the MM185 (what Woody has) is a very nice welder which as he said was prior to the 210, it is the equivilent of like a 205 or something, puts out a ton of power and will weld 3/8" steel in a single pass (atleast Miller claims it will), however looking at just the model "185" you would think it's only slightly more powerful than say a "175" unit, which isn't really the case, it's a whole nuther notch more powerful than a "175" unit, but when it was made the model numbers were not so highly inflated).

The Lincoln ProMig (comes with all MIG stuff and flux-core stuff) is often under $500 on Ebay with shipping, brand-new, 3 yr warranty, etc...I've used some Lincoln and Miller welders, never noticed any real difference, I think the blue of the Miller looks better, but they all seem to weld the same IMO.