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Power steering problem please help
I just put my engine all back together and got a new ps pump. When I fired it up in noticed a leak from the pump and after further investegation I noticed it was missing the cap to the flow control valve  . Does anyone have any ideas how i can fix it?? any help would be great 
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10-31-09, 04:51 AM
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Post up a pic.
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10-31-09, 07:47 AM
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I thinkmost of the small parts are still available from Toyota:
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10-31-09, 09:39 AM
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If I hear you right, you got a new power steering pump and it leaks? Take it back.
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10-31-09, 10:31 AM
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If I hear you right, you got a new power steering pump and it leaks? Take it back.
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Why would you want to fix a non-working new part????
Take it back and get one that works.....you paid for it! 
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10-31-09, 10:37 AM
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What cap on the flow control valve?
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10-31-09, 10:55 AM
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Its the small circle cap that is screwed in by a small phillips screw at the bottom right kind of behind the pulley. (P.S. alaska when i turned my wheels it worked great it's just that cap)
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10-31-09, 11:05 AM
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Post up a pic.
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This is the cap i need or need to find a fix
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10-31-09, 05:48 PM
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there is not a cap that goes there. It's supposed to be sealed inside with an o-ring, which apparently is leaking. If it is a new pump, take it back and get another one.
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10-31-09, 06:10 PM
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May 85' fj60 - " TONTO" SOA bunch a cool stuff, 400 plus horses!
April 85' fj60 "DUSTY" metalic brown. fully stock 90K
2001 Land Rover Disco 2
Skidoo XP 800 164" (my chairlift)
Wow, look at all the expensive **** in your sig line. Perhaps you should make the damned thing run, reliably, before dragging it thru an offroad catalog with a magnet attached! After all the work it took to install all that, I'd thinhk a couple of water leaks should be minor! ~ TEXX (IH8MUD member) 10/09
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10-31-09, 08:13 PM
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Here is what my pumps look like. The mounted one is a new one from Cruiser Dan.
The bottom one is one that blew its fluid for the last time.
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10-31-09, 09:00 PM
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Thanks everybody for your help I will bring it back in on monday and get another, now I can make my moab deadline!!!! 
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11-02-09, 10:08 PM
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wtf!?!? I am now on the third new pump so far they have all been junk!!!! Can someone please tell me who to get a pump from that I know will work if this next one does not??? Thanks
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11-03-09, 07:33 AM
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The general thought is that rebuilt pumps suck and only last a short time. I believe this is due to a front bushing that wears and is not replaceable. My experience (which I think is common) is that my rebuilt lasted a year and was leaking again.
So, to really fix it, you need to buy a new pump from Toyota. Not sure how much they are, but it ain't cheap. I went the other route and upgraded to a Saginaw pump. I say upgraded since I think it is better than the stock unit. Much more boost, which is appreciated with larger tires. HTH.
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11-03-09, 08:22 AM
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Call Cruiser Dan at American Toyota for a new pump.
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wtf!?!? I am now on the third new pump so far they have all been junk!!!! Can someone please tell me who to get a pump from that I know will work if this next one does not??? Thanks
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What pumps have you been installing?
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11-03-09, 08:54 AM
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Buy the rebuild kit and rebuild it. Did mine last month and it works like new.
All aftermarket pumps are crap and as far as I know all the toyota reman's are no longer available due to bad quality control as your probably aware. Follow the FSM instructions and you'll be all good with a rebuild .
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11-03-09, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BGarcia88FJ62
Buy the rebuild kit and rebuild it. Did mine last month and it works like new.
All aftermarket pumps are crap and as far as I know all the toyota reman's are no longer available due to bad quality control as your probably aware. Follow the FSM instructions and you'll be all good with a rebuild . |
But does the rebuild kit address the non-replaceable bushing mentioned above?
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11-03-09, 03:22 PM
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No, it does not address the bushing. I called Cruiser Dan today about a replacement pump for my '79 FJ40....no dice.....discontinued. He said he can still get the pump for the later 40's and the early 60's.....what are the differences (he wasn't sure)?
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11-03-09, 06:30 PM
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well I got the third one on and it works!! thanks for letting me know to call cruiser dan I will give him a call when this one goes out. Thanks for all the help!!
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11-03-09, 08:34 PM
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Call Cruiser Dan at American Toyota for a new pump.
What pumps have you been installing?
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I have been installing the toyota pumps that have been rebuilt by people that need to be babysat when they rebuild them lol  but my next route would be cruiser dan like you said or rebuild it myself like I should of in the first place. 
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11-03-09, 10:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruzerman
The general thought is that rebuilt pumps suck and only last a short time. I believe this is due to a front bushing that wears and is not replaceable. My experience (which I think is common) is that my rebuilt lasted a year and was leaking again.
So, to really fix it, you need to buy a new pump from Toyota. Not sure how much they are, but it ain't cheap. I went the other route and upgraded to a Saginaw pump. I say upgraded since I think it is better than the stock unit. Much more boost, which is appreciated with larger tires. HTH.
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X2 on the Saginaw, cheap, some with lifetime warranty, and very reliable. I went one step further on my former 60, upgraded the high pressure hose to 2600 PSI. The day the 60 crashed, the whole steering system was working like a charm.
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11-04-09, 07:18 AM
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I have been installing the toyota pumps that have been rebuilt by people that need to be babysat when they rebuild them lol but my next route would be cruiser dan like you said or rebuild it myself like I should of in the first place. |
The pump is not considered rebuildable due to the bushing issue. This is from Spector's site:
Rebuilt Power Steering Pumps
Specter does not offer rebuilt power steering pumps. The original Toyota front pump body does not have a replaceable bushing in it. To rebuild the pump correctly, the housing needs to be machined for a bushing and the bushing needs to be honed to match the pump shaft. Rebuilding these pumps this way would make the cost of the remanufactured pump comparable to the new Toyota pump.
Of course, people can do what they want. And you may fix it if the front bushing was not your issue. But you'd be living on borrowed time. JMHO.
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I forked out a load of cash for a new Toyota pump about seven or eight years back. It was north of $500. Even brand new, right out of the box it was no match for even a tired out, leaky Saginaw. I love America.
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11-04-09, 06:05 PM
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Quote:
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The pump is not considered rebuildable due to the bushing issue. This is from Spector's site:
Rebuilt Power Steering Pumps
Specter does not offer rebuilt power steering pumps. The original Toyota front pump body does not have a replaceable bushing in it. To rebuild the pump correctly, the housing needs to be machined for a bushing and the bushing needs to be honed to match the pump shaft. Rebuilding these pumps this way would make the cost of the remanufactured pump comparable to the new Toyota pump.
Of course, people can do what they want. And you may fix it if the front bushing was not your issue. But you'd be living on borrowed time. JMHO. |
Ya thats what I am worried about is that it's probably not going to last too much longer, And how everyone says saginaws are the way I would put one on in a heart beat but since mine is a 87' I have to have a smog pump. I just hope the pump lasts until january when the emission law changes in utah and i dont need a smog pump then I will get a saginaw
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11-04-09, 08:03 PM
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Ya thats what I am worried about is that it's probably not going to last too much longer, And how everyone says saginaws are the way I would put one on in a heart beat but since mine is a 87' I have to have a smog pump. I just hope the pump lasts until january when the emission law changes in utah and i dont need a smog pump then I will get a saginaw
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Not everyone will say that a Saginaw is the way to go. I think it is. But that's just my worthless opinion.
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Not everyone will say that a Saginaw is the way to go. I think it is. But that's just my worthless opinion.
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well I know a handful of people who love theres, do you think there is any way to fit a saginaw on but still keep the smog pump???
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well I know a handful of people who love theres, do you think there is any way to fit a saginaw on but still keep the smog pump???
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I live in Utah and I kept the smog pump for about five minutes. I had to keep the housing to keep tension on the belt, but I gutted it and tossed all the smog crap. I never had an issue with inspections as long as it would blow the right numbers at the pipe which it always did. Find a friend that does emissions and doesn't have such a sharp eye for details (like smog pumps) that stopped working ten years ago anyway. Do a search on MUD for Saginaw and you will find some excellent posts with good pictures on how to make a bracket.
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Um, you got screwed.
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I forked out a load of cash for a new Toyota pump about seven or eight years back. It was north of $500. Even brand new, right out of the box it was no match for even a tired out, leaky Saginaw. I love America.
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I bought a brand new one fron Cruiser Dan last year for $325, delivered to my neighbors doorstep.
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Um, you got screwed.
I bought a brand new one fron Cruiser Dan last year for $325, delivered to my neighbors doorstep.
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Yup. I did.
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Quote:
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I live in Utah and I kept the smog pump for about five minutes. I had to keep the housing to keep tension on the belt, but I gutted it and tossed all the smog crap. I never had an issue with inspections as long as it would blow the right numbers at the pipe which it always did. Find a friend that does emissions and doesn't have such a sharp eye for details (like smog pumps) that stopped working ten years ago anyway. Do a search on MUD for Saginaw and you will find some excellent posts with good pictures on how to make a bracket.
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I pulled mine off too and ripped out all the guts in it, I just dont know if you can still fit a saginaw with the housing right below
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