"Mohave" Springs

Bomar · 09-16-09, 03:06 PM

updates?

sl33py · 09-16-09, 05:16 PM

so just to clarify - i see you have a SR on your truck - will this 4" require SR?

and here's my obligatory noob question - "long travel slip" and 6"-8"'s - i take it this is from the droop/flex you have and how do you get this slip? pics? or explain it like i'm a 2yo... lol

and it sounds like you are getting longer springs to help with the shackle angle!? (yay!)

i'm very interested!! And like some above - is there a purchase from you directly option?

lcwizard · 09-16-09, 05:48 PM

The funny thing is that it was the same canadian manufacturer that built BDS, skyjacker, rough country and probably a few other brands sold right here amoung other vendors . They were vary consistant when volume was high but two years ago they started shutting mfg facilities as the economy slowed and orders started getting lost or product screwed up..
At one point early last year they had lost all the drawings of all the springs when one plant closed and transfered everything to another. The quality never returned to what it was 4-5 years ago.
The new parent company is american but their factory is not. Because the materials I requested are not even available, in quantity, stateside they will produce them in their orient plant.
Apparently metric widthes (in the case of the 60) and the higher grade materials that have better deflection and cycle characteristics are not readily
available here anymore since the auto industry no longer relies on leaf spring technology.
If the springs sell well enough to warrant bringing material and production back to North America we would prefer that because turnaround times would shorten.
They also have a Mexico facility that services the truck market there but again
the material I requested is not available. Most OEM leaf springs are not designed for maximim travel and a soft ride.... they're going into the rear or Super Duty's and cement trucks

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Originally Posted by ginericLC

Did MAF get a good manufacturer this time for the springs? I know their previous versions had a lot of problems.

Butt Ugly Chuck · 10-29-09, 07:37 PM

Bump....

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Originally Posted by sl33py

so just to clarify - i see you have a SR on your truck - will this 4" require SR?

.... and a x2?

Butt

Kurtis · 10-30-09, 08:06 PM

I just finished doing the Spring over and saw this thread. Are these figuring 4 inchs new shackles and springs combined? I'm really liking the ride going spring over and back to stock springs but i'm sure some day they will wear out. Is this only going to be in 4 inch height? I noticed you said that the spring rates of most aftermarket springs are 20 percent more than they need to be. How do stock springs rate? I would love to be able to get a well made spring at stock or maybe 2-3 inches of lift if mine wear out. I would be very hesitant to reinsert the add a leafs because they ride so harsh. Who knows another 4 inches might even be cool. I have a 2 inch body lift as well so that could go and it would only be 2 more inches.

fj80toyman · 11-19-09, 09:28 PM

Alright, another bump to find out whuz up with these...?

...anything new?

Dan.

cavemancaleb · 11-19-09, 09:58 PM

these look very exciting for some one like myslef about to do a spoa build. this could be a good alternative.
anything new?

sl33py · 11-20-09, 12:18 AM

Any Luck? Not dying to update my BDS, but wouldn't mind a bit more flex and curious if 4" needs SR...

slcfj62 · 11-20-09, 12:45 PM

I've procrastinated buying OME for so long I'm now sort of thinking these might be the way to go. So I'm tuned in like everybody else and waiting for some kind of sign.

And Mr. Wizard, you still haven't answered the question as to whether these will require a shackle reversal. I can't imagine that to be the case, but the question has been asked and not answered yet.

calphi27 · 11-20-09, 04:31 PM

I don't mean to be that guy, but didn't ome lose quality when it subbed out its stuff to asia???

Can YOU make these springs stateside like alcan? I would rather buy your springs for more than some subbed out stuff. Im just sayin.

slcfj62 · 11-20-09, 09:33 PM

Earlier in the thread, he mentions that the spring steel he has spec'd for these is not available in North America or Mexico, and that is why they are being built in Asia. Apparently not only do we not manufacture much in America anymore, we couldn't if we wanted to.

calphi27 · 11-20-09, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by slcfj62

Earlier in the thread, he mentions that the spring steel he has spec'd for these is not available in North America or Mexico, and that is why they are being built in Asia. Apparently not only do we not manufacture much in America anymore, we couldn't if we wanted to.

then how did he make the prototypes?

lcwizard · 11-21-09, 10:23 AM

I paid quite a bit more than you will. The material is is small supplies at the prototype shop. I paid 375.00 each for the rears and 345.00 ea for the fronts.
The production units just arrived at Man-a-Fre. They'll be half that price.

Hey, but how do do you put a price tag on a made in USA sticker? Two monthes of Ramen noodle and out of code dairy products and I've already scraped the tag off one of the springs. Bummer

For those of you wanting the made in USA sticker at any price Al at Man-Fre will oblige

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Originally Posted by calphi27

then how did he make the prototypes?

Kurtis · 11-21-09, 10:46 AM

So what did the final height end up being? I have a spring over and v8 4l60e and unfortunatly to run a cv driveshaft I have to be higher than stock springs because of clearance around the auto. I don't care where there made if they ride nice. How have the prototypes held up?

lcwizard · 11-21-09, 12:07 PM

After a few monthes of hard wheeling the measurements are ( center of axle to fender lip )

stock; 19" front, rear 18.5 rear

lifted ; 25" front , 23.5 rear.. ( this truck has a S/R which adds an inch to the front )

Both front and rears are made with the two bottom leaves unclamped for easy removal if you want to
adjust your ride height or rate. I'm running heavy front and rear bumpers, winch and a roof rack .

calphi27 · 11-21-09, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lcwizard

They'll be half that price.

lest ye forget Man a fres shipping charges...

i was just trying to give you a chance to make them yourself and keep more money.

cruiseninak · 11-21-09, 01:54 PM

Any word on needing a shackle reversal?

lcwizard · 11-21-09, 04:46 PM

You wouldn't have to have one. You'd sit an inch lower up front, which should level by pulling a rear leaf if you wanted. With a wagon it's hard to predict an exact result considering how differently everyone sets them up. This is why I
left the two lower leaves unclamped for easy removal

QUOTE=cruiseninak;4988500]Any word on needing a shackle reversal?[/QUOTE]

lcwizard · 11-21-09, 05:22 PM

You really should stop whining about shipping charges. Visit freightquote.com. You will get an idea of competetive rates for trucking. For example 300lbs LA to denver is 290.00 and up to a residential
or 130.00 and up to a business with a dock. Man-a-fre really doesn't dictate their rates. If you want to save on shipping charges find a buddy with a dock and ship it there. If your only option is to have a trucking company deliver to your home you'll pay more shipping.

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Originally Posted by calphi27

lest ye forget Man a fres shipping charges...

i was just trying to give you a chance to make them yourself and keep more money.

lcwizard · 11-21-09, 05:33 PM

same quote business with dock

slcfj62 · 11-21-09, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lcwizard

After a few monthes of hard wheeling the measurements are ( center of axle to fender lip )

stock; 19" front, rear 18.5 rear

lifted ; 25" front , 23.5 rear.. ( this truck has a S/R which adds an inch to the front ).

Whoa, that is pretty tall. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned that the goal was a 4 inch lift. Is that about where the rig will sit with the production springs?

lcwizard · 11-22-09, 07:40 AM

sorry, the lifted front measurement was 24 not 25.
It turned out to be 5" of lift but I do have the 2" over shackles and a S/R so technically the springs are 4" lift
That is about 1" higher than the Dakars I removed but 150% better ride.
I recently went on a rescue mission to help out a TLCA member ( goes by "medicbob" here on the 80 list), he had to ride with me the 20miles of dirt to his disabled 80. His first comment was that my 60 rode as well as his 80. I had 38 lbs in the tires. You can probably message him for another opinion

Kurtis · 11-22-09, 10:26 AM

Sounds like a great spring. I think 4inches more on my spring over would probably be a little much but if you can get that type of ride out of a lift spring that is incredible. Even If I removed the body lift I don't think I would clear the garage at that height.