Clearance with 35's and OME Heavies

[rover67]

so.. here's the setup:85 fj6035" BFG MT's on 3.75" BS rims with 1.5" spacersOME Heavy Heavy lift with 6* caster shimsOME Anti Inversion Shackles (80mm front, 90mm rear)1.5" body liftTruck rides great at 80mph, no wandering. even "tested" it at 105mph and still solid as a rock.On the ramp and Slee Offroad (thanks Christo) the truck didn't rub, but th efront tires got close to the front fenders. BUT.. at moab this past weekend the fronts rubbed enough on the front fender bolts and bottom edge to chunk the treads off of the tires. not a bunch, but i could feel the tires hanging up on the front fenders and could feel them binding. Obviously a turning while wheeling rub.I don't want to go SOA, and love the way it drives. it has very little DS vibrations also. pinion angles are good, and DS clearance is right at the limit on the front. the DS has a few scratches where it hit th efront crossmember.So, here are the options I am considering:1. trim front fenders2. 5 3/8 4+ shackles3. 6 3/8 4+ shackles4. MAF Shackle reversal kit5. ?Concerns with each are:1. body work (it needs a paint job anyways)2. not enough lift3. totally trash the handling4. people say it is not so good. and I am worried my dubbing issues will now be with the rear of the fenders instead of the front because the axle moves back on articulation now.I did a bit of reading/searching and i couldn't find anyone who really wheeled their rig with the SR and 35's. Does anybody run the options 2 or 3? I guess I'll have to trim the cross member to clear the front DS. can it stay stock as far as legnth goes with any of these options? I just had it built...I appologize for the facts only post, but my previous one was deleted when i tried to post it... beats me how it it happened.what say ye?

[rover67]

for some reason i cant change the formating.. i know it's annoying

[FJ60Cam]

I had some rubbing issues on the front fender when stuffed & with the wheel turned...I ended up lowering the front bumpstops with some 1" square stock. If you like everything else about the ride, you might try that.

[D'Animal]

Use the Enter key and make a few paraghraphs. It will be much easier to read.


I have read it twice. What is your question?

[rover67]

so.. here's the setup:

85 fj60
35" BFG MT's on 3.75" BS rims with 1.5" spacers
OME Heavy Heavy lift with 6* caster shims
OME Anti Inversion Shackles (80mm front, 90mm rear)
1.5" body lift

Truck rides great at 80mph, no wandering. even "tested" it at 105mph and still solid as a rock.

On the ramp and Slee Offroad (thanks Christo) the truck didn't rub, but th efront tires got close to the front fenders. BUT.. at moab this past weekend the fronts rubbed enough on the front fender bolts and bottom edge to chunk the treads off of the tires. not a bunch, but i could feel the tires hanging up on the front fenders and could feel them binding. Obviously a turning while wheeling rub.I don't want to go SOA, and love the way it drives. it has very little DS vibrations also. pinion angles are good, and DS clearance is right at the limit on the front. the DS has a few scratches where it hit th efront crossmember.

So, here are the options I am considering:

1. trim front fenders
2. 5 3/8 4+ shackles
3. 6 3/8 4+ shackles
4. MAF Shackle reversal kit
5. ?

Concerns with each are:
1. body work (it needs a paint job anyways)
2. not enough lift
3. totally trash the handling
4. people say it is not so good. and I am worried my dubbing issues will now be with the rear of the fenders instead of the front because the axle moves back on articulation now.

I did a bit of reading/searching and i couldn't find aoyone who really wheeled their rig with the SR and 35's. Does anybody run the options 2 or 3? I guess I'll have to trim the cross member to clear the front DS. can it stay stock as far as legnth goes with any of these options? I just had it built...

I appologize for the facts only post, but my previous one was deleted when i tried to post it... beats me how it it happened.

what say ye?

[89GASHOG]

Originally Posted by rover67

.what say ye?

I say you should sell those OMEs to me for cheap and buy some springs with more lift, say some Alcans or CCOT, plus extended shackles to run the 35's.

[rover67]

I know how to use the enter button. I tried to reformat the original post on multiple occasions after finally getting it to post and it was not working. Either something is funky with the site or my computer is messing up who knows. I think i have it to where you should be able to read it now... save a few misspellings.

cam, I hadn't thought about spacing the bumpstops down but am thinking that may be the way to go. I guess even if i lift it a bit more i'd still need to do that also to keep it from ever moving up that high.

[NocalFJ60]

I am running OME springs medium duty in front with some long AAL's and rear medium/heavy springs in the rear ( I am thinking about adding leaf after the trip to make them heavies so the rear can handle the load better). I got the springs about 8 years ago. I am running a 1" body lift too with 3.75 BS wheels. I went with the smallest 35's I could find (dunlop mud rovers) which show a 34.2" on Dunlop's website. I didn't get any rubbing at Moab but would be nice to check on a ramp. I would stay away from the shackle reversal. Here is the cruiser on the trip out with it loaded down.

[lovetoski]

Wow - your second post is much easier to read!

Two options work for me:
1. Lowering the bump stop.
2. Trimming the fenders.

#1 is easy, and could be done in a lazy afternoon. Downside is a little less axle flex.

#2 is harder, and if you can't weld, costs more. If you need/want the flex, and can afford it, this is the way to go.

My choices are filtered by my preference for keeping the CG low. 35"/SUA is my direction.

[D'Animal]

Check out Weak-link's built in the 60 series section. He is running stock springs on a Spring over and running pretty big tires. If I remember correctly it gave him 3" of lift.

He cut the front fenders but it looks good.

[D'Animal]

Post #97 here is where they talk about frame height while running 42"s.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wa...0-bulid-4.html

[FJ60Cam]

Also, do you need the wheel spacers? I put them on to get a slightly wider stance and that's when I started to rub (with 10.5 33s).

How much do you need to keep the rear wheel from rubbing the inner wheelwell?

[gaylon]

Originally Posted by rover67

Truck rides great at 80mph, no wandering. even "tested" it at 105mph and still solid as a rock.

ummm - 105mph? I do not know what the LM7 in your sig line is, but I think I need one. I think I could get to 105 in freefall off of a cliff.

[Bomar]

Marco

What about going to a 1 inch spacer if any. I was running Mickey Thompson Baja Calws 33x12.5 with no spacers on the same wheels and getting no rubbing on the inside. I did on the front fenders but that was dead front springs.

The bump stop should help on the drive shaft issues also.

The 4+ shackles with your driving is a death trap. I could see you folding the sides of the shackles. If you get them gusset them.

The 60 is not a 911RS.

[Tatortot]

Originally Posted by gaylon

ummm - 105mph? I do not know what the LM7 in your sig line is, but I think I need one. I think I could get to 105 in freefall off of a cliff.

vortec genIII 5.3L

[gaylon]

Originally Posted by Tatortot

vortec genIII 5.3L

oh

[cruiser88]

Add a leaf or spring over

[freds40]

I'm a stong proponent for body mods. I say trim the fenders up and be done. It obviously handles the way you want it to. A bit o' trimming and you're set as opposed to shackles that will throw your castor out or a MORE kit that will turn your rig with lift springs into a monster truck.

Keep it low and trim away.

[rover67]

great thanks for all the input.. i think trimming the front fenders will be in order soon.

Yep, the LM7 is the 5.3 vortec with the steel block. we were going 105 as indicated on the gps... and that was loaded with a pretty stiff headwind. who know's what it'd do empty with no breeze. i don't really care to find out though..

Cam, I think you are right on the spacers, 1.5" is really too much. the rear is pretty far away from rubbing with them. maybe i'll put it at full flex and see what I can take away. i probably need to lower the front bump stops a bit too since when it is in baja mode the front ujoint hits the oil pan a little bit i noticed. We hit some pretty big bumps on the wide open sections of trail in moab and stuff was hitting.... not just the front fenders.

i'll look up pictures of the front fender trimming now. thanks for the lead on weak-links bulld d'animal

[Tapage]

Whatever you do in your suspension should vary your actual handling . for best or worse ..

I like the Shackle reversal idea ( I have it for almost 7 years .. ) but it's always up to you .. the only way that I seen to keep your actual ride and on road maners it's trim the fenders and keep all at the same way.

[brett76]

you got your cruiser up to 105mph?

[rover67]

yes i did.

[FJ60Cam]

Is that all?!?! I can't believe you stopped at 105 I'll bet you were bouncing off the rev limiter!

[paulwolf350]

Originally Posted by rover67

I guess even if i lift it a bit more i'd still need to do that also to keep it from ever moving up that high.

yup IMHO the only way to stop rubbing with 35s, without going SO, is bumpstops or cutting. if you go more lift you will still have the same problem at full compression

paul

[rover67]

it was in 4th. the gearing is kinda jacked since i have the 35's and the stock 3.73's..

good point on it still rubbing at full stuff even with bigger shackles. I am more than likely going to go with slightly bigger shackles, lower the bump stops a bit, and cut the front fenders. will probably also end up reducing the wheel spacers to what is absolutely neccesary.... I need to get it back on the rocks and measure how much clearance i have with the rear tires and the inner fenders...

[hoppie]

Originally Posted by Bomar

Marco


The 4+ shackles with your driving is a death trap. I could see you folding the sides of the shackles. If you get them gusset them.

Why would you say the shackles are a death trap? Too long, too much leverage?

What would be the safe cut off for shackle lenghts?