ford engines?

AKFJ62 · 04-24-08, 03:00 AM

there is a rebuilt 1978 ford 400 for sell here and was wondering if anyone has done any ford engine swapsin a 60or 62?
my engine is acting up and if I have to rebuild the 3FE I'm going bigger.

Juntura · 04-24-08, 07:42 AM

I like Fords but wouldn't use the 400. Even Ford guys have no love for them.

MutleyFJ62 · 04-24-08, 07:57 AM

the 400 was an orphan child, hard to find bits for and not popular for conversion plates like bellhousings and clutch/flywheel setups. stay with a 302 and stroke it to 347 or go a 351 block and stroke to 415.

Mace · 04-24-08, 08:04 AM

I have a 302 in my 60.

A 351 would be nice as well..

Unless you are springover, the engine swap is kind of a PITA (exhaust and starter get in the way)

cruiser88 · 04-24-08, 10:30 AM

I hate a 400 Ford motor.....but 302 is plenty.

Mace did you HAVE to bolt up the C6 because the stock was not good enough or did you just want to?

Some things he must consider

Mace · 04-24-08, 10:58 AM

I had the C6, so I used it. I wanted my wife to feel more comfotrable driving the 60, so an auto was a good thing.

I believe that Marks makes adapters from the ford motor to the stock Tranny.

Dynosoar · 04-24-08, 11:03 AM

If you do a 351, do a Windsor they are more torquey than the Cleavlands. I do love the sound of a 351C.

Dynosoar

jefferson-mo · 04-24-08, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mace

I had the C6, so I used it. I wanted my wife to feel more comfotrable driving the 60, so an auto was a good thing.

I believe that Marks makes adapters from the ford motor to the stock Tranny.

Yeah that's what I'm using..................................

I'n not SOA and wasn't planning on it.........................do I really hafta?

do I?

do I?

Oh yeah.................351W EFI Cali smog legal for me.............

koop · 04-24-08, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dynosoar

If you do a 351, do a Windsor they are more torquey than the Cleavlands. I do love the sound of a 351C.

Dynosoar

I thought the 351c had more torque. Could be wrong. Windsor is smaller and lighter though.

AKFJ62 · 04-24-08, 12:16 PM

hey thanks guys I'll keep an eye out for a 351 Windsor then. I'm not SOA yet and not sure if I want to be either. I have a 2.5" OME lift and if I SOA that I'd be too tall for my likings.

next Question? what do you all think would be more cost effective swaping to a 351 or just keeping my turd f an engine and rebuild it?

OOOOOOOO · 04-24-08, 12:19 PM

The 400 was a stepchild. The 302/351 windsor is a better choice. Plenty of aftermarket support and EFI or carb options aplenty.

lehiguy · 04-25-08, 01:31 PM

I had a 1971 Mercury Monterey with the 400 and a C6. It had a two barrell carb and would fry the tires at every light. The little beast made 400 pounds of torque at 2200 RPM (peak) and the sensation of being pushed into the back seat just never went away. I loved that car and I've always had a soft spot for the 400 ever since. I can only imagine what I could have done with a better carb, intake and exhaust.

Mace · 04-25-08, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lehiguy

I had a 1971 Mercury Monterey with the 400 and a C6. It had a two barrell carb and would fry the tires at every light. The little beast made 400 pounds of torque at 2200 RPM (peak) and the sensation of being pushed into the back seat just never went away. I loved that car and I've always had a soft spot for the 400 ever since. I can only imagine what I could have done with a better carb, intake and exhaust.

Not much more.

351C was a higher rev motor than the 351W motor is.
Aftermarket for the Windsor is a hell of a lot better than the C. 302 stuff and 351W stuff is almost identical (the block of the 351 is a bit taller than a 302).

without a springover you run some seriosuly tight tolerances between the starter/exhaust and the front driveshaft. I am curing my issues with a 2 piece front driveshaft.

AKFJ62 · 04-25-08, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mace

I believe that Marks makes adapters from the ford motor to the stock Tranny.

Where do I find "Marks"

I've been looking for adapters and all I found sofar is GM stuff

Mace · 04-25-08, 01:42 PM

Advance adapters carries the Mark's adapters (austraulia)

jefferson-mo · 04-27-08, 03:10 PM

Marks 4wd Adaptors Home Page

Advance Adapters.Com Engine & Transmission Conversion Adapters

Right now the U.S. and Aussie dollars are almost 1:1 so you're much better off gettin' 'em from AA

TURBOYOTA!!! · 04-27-08, 03:48 PM

i dunno, im not a fan of most v style engines. i like inlines. so if you want ford, go for the 300 strait 6. its a real strong farm style engine, it'll never die on you

Mace · 04-27-08, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TURBOYOTA!!!

i dunno, im not a fan of most v style engines. i like inlines. so if you want ford, go for the 300 strait 6. its a real strong farm style engine, it'll never die on you

And has all of the PITA of adapting a Ford motor into a LC and a serious lack in the HP dept compared to the V 8's...

300 is a good motor. But not enough of an improvment over the LC six IMHO.

RockDoc · 04-27-08, 06:03 PM

I would think most cost effective would be finding a good used 3FE to swap in. Might not be so easy based on your location though. MarkW would be a good one to talk to, but he hasn't been on much in the last several months.

TURBOYOTA!!! · 04-27-08, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mace

And has all of the PITA of adapting a Ford motor into a LC and a serious lack in the HP dept compared to the V 8's...

300 is a good motor. But not enough of an improvment over the LC six IMHO.

true, but i personally am not lookin for man-sized amountes of HP, i like high torque and longevity, which the 300 provides.

bigDcruiser · 04-27-08, 07:12 PM

i had a 351W in my bronco and loved it. if i could track it down i'd try to buy it back and drop it into the fj. 1988 bronco with only 100k on it i bought from the only owner w/ all the maitenance records. now that i think of it, i've gotta call my insurance company and see if they can help me track it down.

CruisinFJ60 · 04-27-08, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TURBOYOTA!!!

true, but i personally am not lookin for man-sized amountes of HP, i like high torque and longevity, which the 300 provides.

i personally think that would be a wast of time to swap to the ford 300 over the yota straight 6 the FI 300 may have had more torque and power than the 3fe but if your not looking for huge gains then why not just go with or stay with the 3fe as opposed to going through all the trouble and money to swap in a 300. seems like a waste of money IMOP. I personally am not really a fan of ford engines in general as im more of a bowtie kinda guy but i can agree the ford 300 was a pretty decent lasting motor but to each theyre own

Mace · 04-27-08, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CruisinFJ60

i personally think that would be a wast of time to swap to the ford 300 over the yota straight 6 the FI 300 may have had more torque and power than the 3fe but if your not looking for huge gains then why not just go with or stay with the 3fe as opposed to going through all the trouble and money to swap in a 300. seems like a waste of money IMOP. I personally am not really a fan of ford engines in general as im more of a bowtie kinda guy but i can agree the ford 300 was a pretty decent lasting motor but to each theyre own

Exactly, why swap things out if you are not going for more HP??

You are not going to get a motor with a longer lifespan by doing an engine swap..

2/3FE swap has a lot of base potential.

AKFJ62 · 04-28-08, 04:38 AM

believe me I would love to keep my 3FE but rebuilds and fj motors are very expensive and rare here in Alaska. I can find 2F everyware but I'm not swaping for that.

RockDoc · 04-28-08, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AKFJ62

believe me I would love to keep my 3FE but rebuilds and fj motors are very expensive and rare here in Alaska. I can find 2F everyware but I'm not swaping for that.

Did you ever track down what is wrong with the one you've got? (Maybe there is still hope for it?)

Mace · 04-28-08, 09:30 AM

Put a 2F block under your 3FE head..

More bettah..

AKFJ62 · 04-28-08, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RockDoc

Did you ever track down what is wrong with the one you've got? (Maybe there is still hope for it?)

no I have a new dizzy coming in and if it still doesn't work after that I'm stumped.. I replaced everything in the ingnition coil, igniter,plugs,wires,rotor,cap and now the dizzy. I still don't think it the dizzy but I'm willen to try anything at this point. I just can't get spark.... I've even replaced the ECU...

I've also tested per FSM and everything is reading to spec. so I have know idea whats wrong with it

04-24-08, 03:00 AM	#1
AKFJ62 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 112	ford engines? there is a rebuilt 1978 ford 400 for sell here and was wondering if anyone has done any ford engine swapsin a 60or 62? my engine is acting up and if I have to rebuild the 3FE I'm going bigger.

04-24-08, 07:57 AM	#3
MutleyFJ62 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gold Coast, QLD, Australia Posts: 172	the 400 was an orphan child, hard to find bits for and not popular for conversion plates like bellhousings and clutch/flywheel setups. stay with a 302 and stroke it to 347 or go a 351 block and stroke to 415. __________________ Now an employee of your friendly TJM accessory shop www.tjm.com.au

04-24-08, 08:04 AM	#4
Mace what he said Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 10,999	I have a 302 in my 60. A 351 would be nice as well.. Unless you are springover, the engine swap is kind of a PITA (exhaust and starter get in the way) __________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game."

04-24-08, 10:30 AM	#5
cruiser88 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: over here TLCA# 17319 Posts: 7,176	I hate a 400 Ford motor.....but 302 is plenty. Mace did you HAVE to bolt up the C6 because the stock was not good enough or did you just want to? Some things he must consider __________________ BLAH BLAH

04-24-08, 10:58 AM	#6
Mace what he said Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 10,999	I had the C6, so I used it. I wanted my wife to feel more comfotrable driving the 60, so an auto was a good thing. I believe that Marks makes adapters from the ford motor to the stock Tranny. __________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game."

04-24-08, 07:42 AM	#2
Juntura IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 9	I like Fords but wouldn't use the 400. Even Ford guys have no love for them.

04-24-08, 11:03 AM	#7
Dynosoar V8J60 - TPI Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SoCal TLCA# 17857 Posts: 1,662	If you do a 351, do a Windsor they are more torquey than the Cleavlands. I do love the sound of a 351C. Dynosoar __________________ '82 V8J60 - TPI 350 with a Turbo 400 attached to a splitcase, Cable Locker FF rear end, 4" SUA (National Spring), Copper Metalic Has been south to Cabo San Lucas, BCS and North to Port Angels,WA. Call Sign: KI6SMP

04-24-08, 12:16 PM	#10
AKFJ62 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 112	hey thanks guys I'll keep an eye out for a 351 Windsor then. I'm not SOA yet and not sure if I want to be either. I have a 2.5" OME lift and if I SOA that I'd be too tall for my likings. next Question? what do you all think would be more cost effective swaping to a 351 or just keeping my turd f an engine and rebuild it?

04-24-08, 12:19 PM	#11
OOOOOOOO IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Phoenix Posts: 52	The 400 was a stepchild. The 302/351 windsor is a better choice. Plenty of aftermarket support and EFI or carb options aplenty.

04-25-08, 01:31 PM	#12
lehiguy IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 489	A plug for the "Stepchild" I had a 1971 Mercury Monterey with the 400 and a C6. It had a two barrell carb and would fry the tires at every light. The little beast made 400 pounds of torque at 2200 RPM (peak) and the sensation of being pushed into the back seat just never went away. I loved that car and I've always had a soft spot for the 400 ever since. I can only imagine what I could have done with a better carb, intake and exhaust. __________________ 1985 FJ60, 300HP SBC, NV4500, NP241, 14-bolt semi floater, 4.56 gears, four wheel disk brakes, 35" BFGs, 350,000 happy miles and still going.

04-25-08, 01:42 PM	#15
Mace what he said Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 10,999	Advance adapters carries the Mark's adapters (austraulia) __________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game."

04-27-08, 03:10 PM	#16
jefferson-mo IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego858, California Posts: 434	Marks 4wd Adaptors Home Page Advance Adapters.Com Engine & Transmission Conversion Adapters Right now the U.S. and Aussie dollars are almost 1:1 so you're much better off gettin' 'em from AA __________________ <---- That's my boy! Carson James Born 6/05 . 84 FJ60 249,750 miles....... 32X11.50 BFG MT 15x8 A/R XM OME , Bilsteins, AussieLocker rear, Unity spots my 1/4 mile time is faster than my 0-60 (Quote)- Dazza "Don't think of it as a slow car. Think of it as a fast tractor."

04-27-08, 03:48 PM	#17
TURBOYOTA!!! IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: East Hampton, CT Posts: 37	uhhhh... i dunno, im not a fan of most v style engines. i like inlines. so if you want ford, go for the 300 strait 6. its a real strong farm style engine, it'll never die on you __________________ My first FJ: 1985 FJ 60, poo brown, bone stock, with 32" Hoosier A/Ts (I think they are the same as BFG A/Ts) on black rock crawlers Jeeps are good vehicals, really, they are...just as soon as you upgrade the axles, transmition, and t-case...glad i bought a LandCruiser...

04-27-08, 06:03 PM	#19
RockDoc IH8MUD Death Row Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta TLCA# 18148 Posts: 1,495	I would think most cost effective would be finding a good used 3FE to swap in. Might not be so easy based on your location though. MarkW would be a good one to talk to, but he hasn't been on much in the last several months. __________________ WTB - 3FE head and exhaust manifolds [ ][ ]=TOYOTA=[ ][ ] '89 FJ62 - daily driver '06 Macbook Pro - wheeling rig Member of the Peace Canyon Toyota Swamp Donkeys Creep Coalition

04-27-08, 07:12 PM	#21
bigDcruiser IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Dallas till i get to Austin Posts: 87	i had a 351W in my bronco and loved it. if i could track it down i'd try to buy it back and drop it into the fj. 1988 bronco with only 100k on it i bought from the only owner w/ all the maitenance records. now that i think of it, i've gotta call my insurance company and see if they can help me track it down. __________________ 1984 FJ60 1965 Mustang 2004 HD Dyna Wide Glide

04-28-08, 04:38 AM	#24
AKFJ62 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 112	believe me I would love to keep my 3FE but rebuilds and fj motors are very expensive and rare here in Alaska. I can find 2F everyware but I'm not swaping for that.

04-28-08, 09:30 AM	#26
Mace what he said Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 10,999	Put a 2F block under your 3FE head.. More bettah.. __________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game."