HHO injection generator results

[Corbet]

Originally Posted by powderhound

7. To all the naysayers out there. Good. Scepticism is healthy. build your own or buy one doesn't make a difference, just get one on your polluting ride and see the results yourself.
powderhound

I think most of us are just waiting for you get your rig back up to spec in regards to maintenance and see the full results. Its hard to swallow all the claimed benefits when your still posting MPG ratings equal to what others are getting with a properly tuned and maintained stock truck.

Nothing personal just my .02

Personally I believe it works. And seeing your set up in person helped me understand the theory. But as of yet, I have not had the time to research it for myself. My biggest concern would be any long term side effects. This is the only thing stopping me from ordering a duplicate system for my 80.

[powderhound]

"I think most of us are just waiting for you get your rig back up to spec in regards to maintenance and see the full results. Its hard to swallow all the claimed benefits when your still posting MPG ratings equal to what others are getting with a properly tuned and maintained stock truck."

yeah corbet, I've been a bit slack lately, though I've gotten a few things done. replaced the manifold gasket, spark plugs, timing so far. you know how it is living in condorado about working on your ride not to mention that winter just won't go away this year. Expecting snow by the weekend, again!

We will have a shop with a bay down valley soon, so I'll be able to dial the cruiser in and do a proper desmog and carb rebuild. I must say that the old fj60 is running pretty damn good minus the egr exhaust leak. I've still got to rebuild the knuckles. It's an ongoing project as always.

With $4.05 gal gas here, I've been a bit hesitant about racking up the miles unneccessarily.

Corbet, I'll cruise by the dealership next time i'm in minturn.
j.

[g-man]

anyone remotely interested in HHO or an nay sayer should should check out youtube and search for zerofossilfuel...this guy has 94 pretty scientific videos of his development and tweaking of his hho cell. Lots of good info if you want to build one ...for examle using 316 grade stainless for the platelettes because the 304 grade tends to give off ferrous oxide thus muddying this water/catalyst solution. Also he gives dimensions of his plates and spacing. And a first hand look at hydrogen production with imput rates of electrical current, watts and amps. Also output of hydrogen per watt. One test he even shows an experimental backflow/explosion with pop off valve to see what will happen in the unfortunate event of backflow. Its very interesting!

[Spook50]

Any recent developments on this? My curiosity is still piqued.

[powderhound]

check the alternative fuel forum under esther's hho thread for pics and more discussion.

We just installed a magdrive double brick on a ford f-250, puts out way more than the single brick that I have. The truck is on the road this week doing some long commutes so I'll have some mpg #s within a few days. We were using Ethos FR in it last week to see results of that and so far has been promising. the ford's average base mpg is 12-13 for mixed city/highway driving loaded/unloaded. with the ethos we're seeing 14+ so far and smoother acceleration. We are aiming for 20 mpg hwy with combo of hho and ethos fr.

[powderhound]

This is the previous 11a single brick unit. The system has been changed slightly for more effecient production. It draws up to 8 amps and produces 2-4 liters per minute of hho. I have it on 15a fuses.

The brick cell is mounted below on the inside of fenderwall for cooling. the two pvc condensate traps are now eliminated on the latest model and the resovoir replaces them both for removing any condensation. The booster pump now runs from the brick to the c-trap/resovoir which circulates the flow more efficiently.

[84runner]

Powderhound,

Any updates on your other installs? You've helped a few friends out it sounds like. Have they shown improvement?

I've been looking into this as well, but the super legit ones seem to involve tapping into your O2 sensor and altering the signal. And also altering MAP and MAF signals. Theory being when your vehicles O2 sensor reads the more efficient burn, (i.e. less O2), it thinks the vehicle is running lean so it dumps more fuel in. Point being, it isn't as easy as some of the lesser kits out there make it sound.

My biggest hurdle so far is that I want to but can't find anyone online who has done this and been signficantly successful, besides those 'testimonials' from the websites trying to sell you these kits or plans.

No offense but your gains don't seem big enough for me to go out and buy/make one. Plus you are also using a fuel additive. There are so many vehicle forums out there and I'm a pretty savy searcher of the net, and I can't find anyone that says; " I bought/made a kit on my car and I'm getting XX% better."

I would like to hear how your friends are doing with theirs...

[jvazquez53]

I had one of these built and placed on my Isuzu P/Up \, and so far I have not notice any improvement. Probably something is not setup right.

[Pin_Head]

Originally Posted by jvazquez53

I had one of these built and placed on my Isuzu P/Up \, and so far I have not notice any improvement. Probably something is not setup right.

You got the expected result: nothing.

It is bogus because it takes more energy to make "HHO" than you get back from burning it.

P.T. Barnum - "A sucker is born every minute"

[jvazquez53]

I only spent $12.00 on the contraption, and that was mainly stainless steel bolts that I can reuse in any other project. What I don't see is spend up to $1,000.00 and supposedly get couple more MPG I know some people say one mile here and there is good but I do have a 4 cylinder truck for a daily driver.

[weak-link]

Originally Posted by Pin_Head

You got the expected result: nothing.

It is bogus because it takes more energy to make "HHO" than you get back from burning it.

P.T. Barnum - "A sucker is born every minute"

that's kinda funny? a friend of mine just made his own and is getting a 27% increase in mpg. hummmm weird?

[Mace]

Originally Posted by weak-link

that's kinda funny? a friend of mine just made his own and is getting a 27% increase in mpg. hummmm weird?

Who Jason.

link?

[weak-link]

you wouldnt know him, Chris and I where talking about it today as he was showing me the one he's putting in his burb. I pm'ed Chris this thread, lets see if he'll post some details on his. I know Chris and his old man are getting way into this.

[Cruzerman]

What a great thread! Add a couple of magnets, a "tornado" fuel saver, an electronic engine ionizer, and one of these HHO systems to your rig and you'll make the diesel boys jealous. 40 mpg, here we come...

[Mace]

Originally Posted by weak-link

you wouldnt know him, Chris and I where talking about it today as he was showing me the one he's putting in his burb. I pm'ed Chris this thread, lets see if he'll post some details on his. I know Chris and his old man are getting way into this.

Sweet, I would love to have an impartial real life tester that I trust on this

[Pin_Head]

Originally Posted by weak-link

that's kinda funny? a friend of mine just made his own and is getting a 27% increase in mpg. hummmm weird?

Not really. You could get that kind of increase just by tuning it up. If "HHO" worked, everyone would get that kind of increase and all of the auto manufacturers would be mandated to use it.

[Corbet]

You may not see much more of Powderhound around here, as the last time I saw him he had just sold his 60. Currently he's rolling in a VW van. He's still working with these systems and hopefully he will post up again. He was trying to get a local town fleet set up with them. That could offer some better figures in the future.

[DHONDAGOD]

Originally Posted by weak-link

you wouldnt know him, Chris and I where talking about it today as he was showing me the one he's putting in his burb. I pm'ed Chris this thread, lets see if he'll post some details on his. I know Chris and his old man are getting way into this.

Yea, drag me into this....


























I put the cell on the burb today. Draws 9amps. Only drove it from the shop to Hallowel and home so no mileage reports. Will fill and track mileage. I can say it DOES idle smoother. (and Im sceptical still at this point so dont anyone give me crap)

The things are so cheap to build and try there's no reason not to. You guys need to quit bickering and just build one and play with it.

If they dont work then at least you can make some HUGE bangs lighting the bubbles.... Right Jason???

(specs on burb': 89 2WD, 5.7tbi, 700r4, stock everything, 2:70 rear gear, yea its a turd towing)



Chris

[ijoelipp@yahoo.com]

i just want to chime in, i have a homemade smack style booster on my 05 dakota v8 4x4. i have had it for about 2 months and have seen a steady 240mi or so on a tank around town insted of 190 to 210mi before, and have been using 87 octane rather than the 92 i needed to have it run right before.
you guys can say what you want, but the truth is in the testing. build one and than you can talk. you can get the plans for free at http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/ (no affiliation). sometimes you get lucky and dont need the other hardware for the o2 map maf. that was the case with mine. also when the truck is warmed up you can hardly smell the exhaust with your nose right in it. its not that pricey either, i built it for probably about $50-70. if you guys try it, go and sign up at watercar : Daniel Dingel's Hydrogen-Powered Car there is tons of info on there.
good luck to the faithful.
joe

[Mace]

Originally Posted by DHONDAGOD

I put the cell on the burb today. Draws 9amps. Only drove it from the shop to Hallowel and home so no mileage reports. Will fill and track mileage. I can say it DOES idle smoother. (and Im sceptical still at this point so dont anyone give me crap)

The things are so cheap to build and try there's no reason not to. You guys need to quit bickering and just build one and play with it.

If they dont work then at least you can make some HUGE bangs lighting the bubbles.... Right Jason???

(specs on burb': 89 2WD, 5.7tbi, 700r4, stock everything, 2:70 rear gear, yea its a turd towing)



Chris

Heck yeah.. If bob could get 40% better mileage (that would bump me up to like 16mpg) I would be happy as a clam..

But I am seriously skeptical..

Cant' wait to see your reports Chris..