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Old 02-22-08, 08:56 PM   #181 (permalink)
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The rolled rubber is soft enough that removing the masking tape - Kevin even cut it to the right length for each door and labled each roll!!! - did abraid it a teeny bit.
And this one is for you Steve!: (note the lack of masking tape)
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Hey... I started a new thread for this... knock it off Kevin!

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WOW, that thing has everything! There looks like a tone of time, sweet, and love into that!

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Old 03-12-08, 11:30 AM   #184 (permalink)
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Old 03-12-08, 05:57 PM   #185 (permalink)
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Rob? wow, thats your first post? way to go.
Welcome to Mud! You have enough kids for the both of us, so I will stick with the dog.

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Old 03-12-08, 06:51 PM   #186 (permalink)
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i was wondering what kind of lockers your running. is that setup OEM toyota or aftermarket?

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Oh, what a lob over the center of the plate.
Meatsauce, what fuel tank are you running?

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hahaha jokes on me. i should of stated the manufacturer of said lockers. if i wasn't a "rookie" and could tell by the pics as i'm shure most of you fine gentlemen could, then i wouldn't have to ask.

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hahaha jokes on me. i should of stated the manufacturer of said lockers. if i wasn't a "rookie" and could tell by the pics as i'm shure most of you fine gentlemen could, then i wouldn't have to ask.
They're factory cable locked axles out of an hj that he rebuilt. They're sweet!!! The diff is much heavier duty than the stock axles.

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Kevin is a modest sort and not one to trumpet his truck's virtues very loudly unless asked, hence my comment. He is proud, and rightfully so, of his vehicle and as OEM cable lockers are the bee's knees, I'm sure he will be glad to tell you about them, no joke - your question is well put. I can't wait to see the lockers and the rest of the truck this summer at the 3FE Bash.

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They're factory cable locked axles out of an hj that he rebuilt. They're sweet!!! The diff is much heavier duty than the stock axles.
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Kevin is a modest sort and not one to trumpet his truck's virtues very loudly unless asked, hence my comment. He is proud, and rightfully so, of his vehicle and as OEM cable lockers are the bee's knees, I'm sure he will be glad to tell you about them, no joke - your question is well put. I can't wait to see the lockers and the rest of the truck this summer at the 3FE Bash.
thanks for the info, i'm new to the locker world and am trying to get all the info and possibilities out there. in the future i will be a little less vage with my questions. thanks fellas

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I must've missed something, your question seemed logical to me.
As has been said, they are Toyota cable actuated lockers from an HJ61. The front bolted into the 60 series housing with a little bit a clearancing and two new studs, but the back requires a full floating axle (from the same truck) The system used to control the cables is overcomplicated and over engineered but they engage/disengage smoothly, on command and with a direct mechanical connection.

(and if you lock just the rear you can do doughnuts that would put a ricer to shame [in the snow anyway])

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thanks for the info on your locker set up. i appreciate it

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Just wondering, is that last pic in Colorado? Looks freakishly familiar to the Camp Hale area near Leadville. Rediculous truck man, that's so sweet. From Post #39 on page 2, I don't see the pictures coming up.

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Hey Joel! yup, they are a recent addition, just kind of stumbled into them and couldn't pas 'em up. I still need to make a neoprene boot to cover the handles and the brake lever. (I have a nice plastic cover if anyone needs it)



I am unfortunately "in" NY, but can't bring myself to become a legal resident, still have an address in VT.


Here are some trip truck pics that have no technical relevancy at all. I will post some more when I dig up a few old cds.

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Good eye, just north-west of there a bit, still in the White River Nat. For. west of New York Mountain a bit, FR435, which FYI, does NOT connect to Brush Creek Road anymore. That was an adventure.

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Old 03-23-08, 02:33 PM   #196 (permalink)
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Blue sea solenoid, aux switch in cab connects or disconnects when the truck is on, power to the switch is lost when truck is turned off, so it always disconnects the two systems when the truck is off.
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Awesome thread.. I am from up where you live (somewhat), originally. Keene and Keene Valley and am formerly a full fledged east coaster. Wonderful build and incredibly well thought out. I love the vehicle and your approach with it. (also with the diesel). I love where you've taken it and its spirit. Cheers, Andre (the guy who wrote the other half of that OJ article on diesel swaps )..

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Awesome thread.. I am from up where you live (somewhat), originally. Keene and Keene Valley and am formerly a full fledged east coaster. Wonderful build and incredibly well thought out. I love the vehicle and your approach with it. (also with the diesel). I love where you've taken it and its spirit. Cheers, Andre (the guy who wrote the other half of that OJ article on diesel swaps )..
No introduction needed Andre! And thanks for the compliment. You and your website have been a great resource over the years. I found myself driving through your [current] neck of the woods last summer and I kept my eyes peeled for any 55s in hopes of orchestrating a meeting!
Conrgats on the new job as well.

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No worries and thanks, still haven't gotten that job yet though, we'll see though... I also forgot to mention I was a UVMer too... Funny the paths. Cheers Kevin!

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Bump in response to a question on the 3FE list...

Help your old man with his failing memory. You were able to bolt in your (my old) 4:11 third into the full floater. Right?

Everything else from there back was off the new axle, right? Did it have sway bar mounts?

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I must've missed something, your question seemed logical to me.
As has been said, they are Toyota cable actuated lockers from an HJ61. The front bolted into the 60 series housing with a little bit a clearancing and two new studs, but the back requires a full floating axle (from the same truck) The system used to control the cables is overcomplicated and over engineered but they engage/disengage smoothly, on command and with a direct mechanical connection.

(and if you lock just the rear you can do doughnuts that would put a ricer to shame [in the snow anyway])

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I could have bolted the 62, 4.11 third to the full floater, but I needed to use the locked 3rd, all the locker stuff is on the third, nothing other than an extra notch is in the housing itself. The locked 3rds unfortunately had 3.7s so I had to pull the ring and pinion from the 62 and swap them in there.
The FF did not have sway bar mounts, had to cut them off the 60 axle and weld them on the new one.
And the axle was not the luxury US spec with the rubber isolators, so the centering pin was small and short, and the perches had the tight U-bolt pattern closer to the springs.

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Oh yeah, I knew that.

No really, I did.

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(Better late than never, I just saw this ROTW thread - didn't think I had missed much during the past year of mostly lurking)

Kevin - Congrats on a sweet rig - very inspiring to those of us who are just getting started with setting up their first 60 series; I just re-read your road trip article in Toyota Trails. It looks like you've done a ton of work (engine swap, lockers/gears(?) ) since that trip. Anyway, I thought it was great how much time you put into your write-up for ROTW, your storage innovations have got my gears turning, that's for sure. Nice cruiser pics on your website also...



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Hi guys,
If it helps I found a link to a similar weatherstipping through JC Whitney. I would bet it is also the same or a similar manufacturer. I remember seeing this in the actual JC Whitney catalog and they looked good. #9 looks the best to me/most similar to what Kevin was using. I have used a similar wheather stripping I pulled off a Saab 900 once but it was limited quanities...

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Kevin, that is absolutely amazing.

I like my 62 the the way it is, but that makes me want to get another 60 or 62 just so I can go nuts on it and mimic your build (with a 4BT, though)

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I just showed several pics of your rig to my wife and daughter. Daughter loved it, wife felt it would be fine for me to convert mine to a similar set up if that was where I planned to live! otherwise, forget it!
Oh well, this is one great rig, congrats on a job very well done.
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