Parabolic Springs

Jim_Phillips · 05-12-04, 04:59 AM

Having considered OME, King Springs, Dobinsons, OEM and IronMan springs for my 60 ... I have found what I think may be the answer.

All the above would cost me over $1500 since they are not available in the UK so I will have to pay heavy shipping costs and import duty.

.. Then I started thinking about Parabolic springs. I used to have a set on a series 3 Land Rover I owned about 6 years ago. They were fantastic - almost as good as a coil sprung vehicle. I have found a company in Holland that manufactures Parabolic springs for all leaf sprung Land Cruisers. The cost is about $750. Maybe this has been covered before? Info is here:

http://www.parabolicsuspension.com/toyota/lcruiser.htm

It looks good. 50mm lift and improved ride and not too much $$. I should get them in about 10 days and will post photos and let you know my opinion once fitted. In the meantime, like to know if anyone has seen / tried them on a cruiser.

folsom50 · 05-12-04, 05:54 AM

That looks cool. I'm kind of a newbie yet, but I haven't seen those before. Anyone in the US sell those?

Jim_Phillips · 05-12-04, 07:12 AM

If anyone wants more info, or to enquire about US resellers or even order a set and have them shipped to the US, the man to email is Paul Heijstee -

paul@parabolicsuspension.com

The shipping cost to the UK was about $100. They don't weigh that much so cost only about a third of the price of shipping conventional springs.

informationjunky · 05-12-04, 07:37 AM

Funny! I had e-mailed them last week, no distributor in US but said I could buy direct.

Dear John,
Thank you for your e-mail. We only have a distributor for the LandRover
systems. You can order direct from us if you want. We can send the kit per
airfreight at good rates, or you can have the kit collected.

Attached you find the price list.
If you have any questions please e-mail me.

Regards,

Paul Heijstee

TIC Parabolic Suspension Systems
TIC Special Parts for Series Land Rovers
Gendersedijk 15a
4265JJ Genderen
The Netherlands

e-mail: paul@parabolicsuspension.com <mailto

aul@parabolicsuspension.com>
/ paul@ticonsole.nl <mailto

aul@ticonsole.nl>
websites: www.parabolicsuspension.com <http://www.parabolicsuspension.com>
/ www.ticonsole.nl <http://www.ticonsole.nl>

dogboy · 05-12-04, 05:01 PM

always good to have options.... thanks Jim

-db-

lowtideride · 05-12-04, 06:44 PM

wow imagine if ya had a rock buggy 60 style with those spring on a SOA set up... running super soft shocks and a chopped rear end... droooolll....bring on da rocks

Dan_J-spec_fj62 · 05-12-04, 06:52 PM

I've read about these b4... i could only find rover stuff... the kit looks like a really good deal... springs ubolts shock lots of bushings. for round...$700 plus shipping.... seems real good

in all my reading i have only heard good things about parabolic springs... and i am sorry i don't have the links on this computer... (i am currently in texas)

dan

jim please keep us informed!!!!! looks like a real cool option!!!!

Dan_J-spec_fj62 · 05-12-04, 06:56 PM

Oh jim is that price in Pounds Euros or is it really US dollars??

dan

Mike S · 05-12-04, 07:09 PM

This looks like a reasonable optio - especially for a 60 that sees a lot of street driving. The prices I saw were in Euros. Slightly more than the US buck right now, I believe.

TOZOVR · 05-12-04, 07:13 PM

they do ride nice, but they flex very very well for leaf packs (from my Series experiences)

Jim_Phillips · 05-13-04, 02:44 AM

$1 equals Euro 1.19

Front Springs are 133 euro each = US$ 158
Rear Springs are 163 euro each = US$ 193

The Kit - which includes springs, bushes & U bolts costs 643 euro - 5% discount.. Total is 610,85 euro = US$ 725

I bet if enough people in the US wanted these you could get a big discount if you ordered together.

I was hoping to get my kit next week but have been informed that all remaining stock has been earmarked for customers and the next batch won't be in the warehouse until early June. Apparently a set has been ordered by a Canadian - but not paid for. I'm hoping I might get that set since I have until the end of the month to return the cheapo springs I just fitted if I am to get a refund. If 'the Canadian' is reading this - please let me have your springs.

I will let you know how it rides and handles once I have the springs fitted. I have emailed the owner of the 60 pictured on the site. He is very happy with them.

More info on parabolics here http://www.chrisperfect.com/springs_index.html This is a guy in the UK that sells to the Landrover market.

Jim

TOZOVR · 05-13-04, 07:29 AM

I emailed Paul yesterday about possibly becoming a dealer for them here if the products look good. Told him I'd like to order a kit in order to check it out regardless of if they want an east coast based US dealer.

So I'd love to have a channel available for them here as we are heavily involved with rovers as well as the toys....

folsom50 · 05-13-04, 03:07 PM

Man, those things are flexy. With that much flex, tire size would really be limited in SUA. I wonder how well they would work in a SOA as far as axle wrap goes.

lowtideride · 05-13-04, 03:35 PM

yeah does anybody know about them for a SOA they look mad flexy...almost too flexy...but when i need to replace my stockers down the line those would nice to have...i just wonder if they were too flexy for a SOA....you would have to have some hella stiff shocks to control the weight of a 60

CruisinGA · 05-13-04, 04:11 PM

Just get good stiff shocks, and get their heavy load bearing ones.
They look like a good alternative.

tclndcrz · 05-13-04, 04:14 PM

i would like to see more cruisers running these springs (SUA and SOA). Looks really cool.

TOZOVR · 05-13-04, 07:24 PM

We've seen their springs (TIC) used for a while with the rovers as I said and they are good units....It was just recently that I actually began to wonder if they'd do something for us folk.

SOA and these may be too much...be awful flexy though!!

dingo · 05-13-04, 07:53 PM

here's a Canadian maker of parabolic springs http://www.parabolicsprings.com/index.html
the site just lists landrover applications but I've heard they also sell landcruiser springs.

So If they're supposed to be so good, why dont you see more parabolic springs in North America??

TOZOVR · 05-13-04, 08:25 PM

[quote author=dingo link=board=29;threadid=16201;start=msg156673#msg15 6673 date=1084499610]
here's a Canadian maker of parabolic springs http://www.parabolicsprings.com/index.html
the site just lists landrover applications but I've heard they also sell landcruiser springs.

So If they're supposed to be so good, why dont you see more parabolic springs in North America??
[/quote]

In the grand scheme of things they're pretty new (started being built by Santana in the early 80's for their rigs)....In the Rover sector they are considered a great upgrade.

I installed a set of Rocky Mountain Parabolics in a friends SIIa last year and he's been RAVING about them.

Check out Mike at ECR... http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Parabolics.html He's the guy who kinda turned me on to them a while back.

lowtideride · 05-13-04, 08:52 PM

ya the more pics i see and the more i think about it you'd prob. have to double up on the shocks..to swing those spring on a SOA setup...

folsom50 · 05-13-04, 09:06 PM

I was sold on going with OME before this thread started, but I'm starting to reconsider.

devo · 05-13-04, 09:33 PM

I looked into the parabolic spring months ago on a tip from Dan at 4wheelauto. They seemed liked the answer untill I found out that they were not made for heavy duty(expedition) applications. Maybe not for rock crawling either. But for a soa, could be a hot ticket. They also seemed difficult to bring into the USA since we didn't have a dealer.
devo

TOZOVR · 05-14-04, 07:30 AM

[quote author=devo link=board=29;threadid=16201;start=msg156725#msg15 6725 date=1084505615]
I looked into the parabolic spring months ago on a tip from Dan at 4wheelauto. They seemed liked the answer untill I found out that they were not made for heavy duty(expedition) applications. Maybe not for rock crawling either. But for a soa, could be a hot ticket. They also seemed difficult to bring into the USA since we didn't have a dealer.
devo
[/quote]

Devo, I don't know anyone with a rover who's had any issues related to the spring design regardless of how they've used the rigs....I'm curious as to where you got the info about them not being suitable for "expedition use" (assuming you're referring to heavily laden, long distance running) as the Spanish Military runs them on the Santanas (The Santana is a Spanish Built Rover and they actually pioneered the Parabolic). I've yet to see these used in a cruiser application, but would like to talk to some folks who have and compare their experiences with ours and the rest of the rover set. The Cruisers are the newer aspect of our business, with Rovers being the real main aspect. I'd like to see the differences.

Jim_Phillips · 05-14-04, 09:24 AM

I should be getting my set on Tuesday/Wednesday next week. Since I have just put new shackles and bolts on the truck I'm hoping it will all come apart easily and I can fit the Parabolics in a few hours. I will give them a good test and write my report.

As I said before, I fitted these on a series Landrover and loved 'em. I will wait and see how my cruiser rides with them..

Cheers, Jim

Jim_Phillips · 05-14-04, 09:30 AM

[quote author=dingo link=board=29;threadid=16201;start=msg156673#msg15 6673 date=1084499610]

So If they're supposed to be so good, why dont you see more parabolic springs in North America??
[/quote]

Good question. Why don't you get diesel's either? Over 30% of car sales in Europe are diesel powered but the US hasn't yet picked up on the benefit of diesel power.

There's a lot more that's good that the US doesn't have... like English beer. Oh, do you know why the English drink warm beer? It's because our refrigerators are made in the US

Jim

TOZOVR · 05-14-04, 09:42 AM

[quote author=Jim_Phillips link=board=29;threadid=16201;start=msg156941#msg15 6941 date=1084548600]
Good question. Why don't you get diesel's either? Over 30% of car sales in Europe are diesel powered but the US hasn't yet picked up on the benefit of diesel power.

There's a lot more that's good that the US doesn't have... like English beer. Oh, do you know why the English drink warm beer? It's because Lucan makes refridgerators as well!!

Jim
[/quote]

Fixed it for you

fsusteve · 05-14-04, 09:48 AM

I remember seeing Skyjacker or somebody a few years ago making them for heeps, IIRC they were up to 6" of lift on 1-2 springs. I think they didn't sell well because nobody felt they'd last long before sagging.

Jim_Phillips · 05-14-04, 09:59 AM

[quote author=TOZOVR link=board=29;threadid=16201;start=msg156966#msg15 6966 date=1084549328]
Fixed it for you

[/quote]

HeHe - I think that might be right too

TOZOVR · 05-17-04, 08:27 AM

Hey guys, let me know if anyone in the US is interested....It looks as though we may pick up the US distributorship based on the Rover springs...since the channel will be open, we will have no problems getting them here for the FJ's....I plan on bringing a set in for my 62 regardless.

RJ
Browne and Ware Overland
www.bwoverland.com

Jim_Phillips · 05-19-04, 01:50 PM

Got the springs today and had time to fit the rears before it went dark.

The centre pin on the spring is about two inches behind (towards the rear of the vehicle) than where the axle sits. I disconnected everything and got everyting to fit.
But now the axle / wheel does not sit in the centre of the wheel well but towards the rear of the vehicle. Also, the rear prop shaft is extended further than it was so there is shiny metal (teeth) showing. And... the hand brake needs readjustment. Is all this normal with a 2 inch lift?

CAn't say how it rides yet as the hand brake is still siezed.

05-12-04, 04:59 AM	#1
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 764	Parabolic Springs Having considered OME, King Springs, Dobinsons, OEM and IronMan springs for my 60 ... I have found what I think may be the answer. All the above would cost me over $1500 since they are not available in the UK so I will have to pay heavy shipping costs and import duty. .. Then I started thinking about Parabolic springs. I used to have a set on a series 3 Land Rover I owned about 6 years ago. They were fantastic - almost as good as a coil sprung vehicle. I have found a company in Holland that manufactures Parabolic springs for all leaf sprung Land Cruisers. The cost is about $750. Maybe this has been covered before? Info is here: http://www.parabolicsuspension.com/toyota/lcruiser.htm It looks good. 50mm lift and improved ride and not too much $$. I should get them in about 10 days and will post photos and let you know my opinion once fitted. In the meantime, like to know if anyone has seen / tried them on a cruiser. Attached Images Last edited by Jim_Phillips; 09-11-06 at 02:18 AM.

05-12-04, 05:54 AM	#2
folsom50 IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Nowhere Nebraska Posts: 591	Re:Parabolic Springs That looks cool. I'm kind of a newbie yet, but I haven't seen those before. Anyone in the US sell those?

05-12-04, 07:12 AM	#3
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 764	Parabolic Springs If anyone wants more info, or to enquire about US resellers or even order a set and have them shipped to the US, the man to email is Paul Heijstee - paul@parabolicsuspension.com The shipping cost to the UK was about $100. They don't weigh that much so cost only about a third of the price of shipping conventional springs.

05-12-04, 07:37 AM	#4
informationjunky IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 TLCA# 6149 Posts: 1,920	Re:Parabolic Springs Funny! I had e-mailed them last week, no distributor in US but said I could buy direct. Dear John, Thank you for your e-mail. We only have a distributor for the LandRover systems. You can order direct from us if you want. We can send the kit per airfreight at good rates, or you can have the kit collected. Attached you find the price list. If you have any questions please e-mail me. Regards, Paul Heijstee TIC Parabolic Suspension Systems TIC Special Parts for Series Land Rovers Gendersedijk 15a 4265JJ Genderen The Netherlands e-mail: paul@parabolicsuspension.com <mailtoaul@parabolicsuspension.com> / paul@ticonsole.nl <mailtoaul@ticonsole.nl> websites: www.parabolicsuspension.com <http://www.parabolicsuspension.com> / www.ticonsole.nl <http://www.ticonsole.nl>

05-12-04, 05:01 PM	#5
dogboy IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 164	Re:Parabolic Springs always good to have options.... thanks Jim -db-

05-12-04, 06:44 PM	#6
lowtideride Ride On... Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Florida TLCA# 14891 Posts: 7,049	Re:Parabolic Springs wow imagine if ya had a rock buggy 60 style with those spring on a SOA set up... running super soft shocks and a chopped rear end... droooolll....bring on da rocks

05-12-04, 06:52 PM	#7
Dan_J-spec_fj62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Plattsmouth Ne TLCA# 16871 Posts: 281	Re:Parabolic Springs I've read about these b4... i could only find rover stuff... the kit looks like a really good deal... springs ubolts shock lots of bushings. for round...$700 plus shipping.... seems real good in all my reading i have only heard good things about parabolic springs... and i am sorry i don't have the links on this computer... (i am currently in texas) dan jim please keep us informed!!!!! looks like a real cool option!!!!

05-12-04, 06:56 PM	#8
Dan_J-spec_fj62 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Plattsmouth Ne TLCA# 16871 Posts: 281	Re:Parabolic Springs Oh jim is that price in Pounds Euros or is it really US dollars?? dan

05-12-04, 07:09 PM	#9
Mike S IH8MUD Lifer - No Appeal Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,513	Parabolic Springs This looks like a reasonable optio - especially for a 60 that sees a lot of street driving. The prices I saw were in Euros. Slightly more than the US buck right now, I believe.

05-12-04, 07:13 PM	#10
TOZOVR IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 395	Parabolic Springs they do ride nice, but they flex very very well for leaf packs (from my Series experiences)

05-13-04, 02:44 AM	#11
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 764	Parabolic Springs $1 equals Euro 1.19 Front Springs are 133 euro each = US$ 158 Rear Springs are 163 euro each = US$ 193 The Kit - which includes springs, bushes & U bolts costs 643 euro - 5% discount.. Total is 610,85 euro = US$ 725 I bet if enough people in the US wanted these you could get a big discount if you ordered together. I was hoping to get my kit next week but have been informed that all remaining stock has been earmarked for customers and the next batch won't be in the warehouse until early June. Apparently a set has been ordered by a Canadian - but not paid for. I'm hoping I might get that set since I have until the end of the month to return the cheapo springs I just fitted if I am to get a refund. If 'the Canadian' is reading this - please let me have your springs. I will let you know how it rides and handles once I have the springs fitted. I have emailed the owner of the 60 pictured on the site. He is very happy with them. More info on parabolics here http://www.chrisperfect.com/springs_index.html This is a guy in the UK that sells to the Landrover market. Jim

05-13-04, 07:29 AM	#12
TOZOVR IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 395	Parabolic Springs I emailed Paul yesterday about possibly becoming a dealer for them here if the products look good. Told him I'd like to order a kit in order to check it out regardless of if they want an east coast based US dealer. So I'd love to have a channel available for them here as we are heavily involved with rovers as well as the toys....

05-13-04, 03:07 PM	#13
folsom50 IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Nowhere Nebraska Posts: 591	Re:Parabolic Springs Man, those things are flexy. With that much flex, tire size would really be limited in SUA. I wonder how well they would work in a SOA as far as axle wrap goes.

05-13-04, 03:35 PM	#14
lowtideride Ride On... Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Florida TLCA# 14891 Posts: 7,049	Re:Parabolic Springs yeah does anybody know about them for a SOA they look mad flexy...almost too flexy...but when i need to replace my stockers down the line those would nice to have...i just wonder if they were too flexy for a SOA....you would have to have some hella stiff shocks to control the weight of a 60

05-13-04, 04:11 PM	#15
CruisinGA Ramblin Wreck Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Georgia Tech Posts: 5,809	Re:Parabolic Springs Just get good stiff shocks, and get their heavy load bearing ones. They look like a good alternative.

05-13-04, 04:14 PM	#16
tclndcrz IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bozeman MT TLCA# 14430 Posts: 996	Re:Parabolic Springs i would like to see more cruisers running these springs (SUA and SOA). Looks really cool.

05-13-04, 07:24 PM	#17
TOZOVR IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 395	Parabolic Springs We've seen their springs (TIC) used for a while with the rovers as I said and they are good units....It was just recently that I actually began to wonder if they'd do something for us folk. SOA and these may be too much...be awful flexy though!!

05-13-04, 07:53 PM	#18
dingo IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 79	Parabolic Springs here's a Canadian maker of parabolic springs http://www.parabolicsprings.com/index.html the site just lists landrover applications but I've heard they also sell landcruiser springs. So If they're supposed to be so good, why dont you see more parabolic springs in North America??

05-13-04, 08:25 PM	#19
TOZOVR IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 395	Parabolic Springs [quote author=dingo link=board=29;threadid=16201;start=msg156673#msg15 6673 date=1084499610] here's a Canadian maker of parabolic springs http://www.parabolicsprings.com/index.html the site just lists landrover applications but I've heard they also sell landcruiser springs. So If they're supposed to be so good, why dont you see more parabolic springs in North America?? [/quote] In the grand scheme of things they're pretty new (started being built by Santana in the early 80's for their rigs)....In the Rover sector they are considered a great upgrade. I installed a set of Rocky Mountain Parabolics in a friends SIIa last year and he's been RAVING about them. Check out Mike at ECR... http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Parabolics.html He's the guy who kinda turned me on to them a while back.

05-13-04, 08:52 PM	#20
lowtideride Ride On... Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Florida TLCA# 14891 Posts: 7,049	Re:Parabolic Springs ya the more pics i see and the more i think about it you'd prob. have to double up on the shocks..to swing those spring on a SOA setup...

05-13-04, 09:06 PM	#21
folsom50 IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Nowhere Nebraska Posts: 591	Re:Parabolic Springs I was sold on going with OME before this thread started, but I'm starting to reconsider.

05-13-04, 09:33 PM	#22
devo IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: denver Posts: 571	Parabolic Springs I looked into the parabolic spring months ago on a tip from Dan at 4wheelauto. They seemed liked the answer untill I found out that they were not made for heavy duty(expedition) applications. Maybe not for rock crawling either. But for a soa, could be a hot ticket. They also seemed difficult to bring into the USA since we didn't have a dealer. devo

05-14-04, 07:30 AM	#23
TOZOVR IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 395	Parabolic Springs [quote author=devo link=board=29;threadid=16201;start=msg156725#msg15 6725 date=1084505615] I looked into the parabolic spring months ago on a tip from Dan at 4wheelauto. They seemed liked the answer untill I found out that they were not made for heavy duty(expedition) applications. Maybe not for rock crawling either. But for a soa, could be a hot ticket. They also seemed difficult to bring into the USA since we didn't have a dealer. devo [/quote] Devo, I don't know anyone with a rover who's had any issues related to the spring design regardless of how they've used the rigs....I'm curious as to where you got the info about them not being suitable for "expedition use" (assuming you're referring to heavily laden, long distance running) as the Spanish Military runs them on the Santanas (The Santana is a Spanish Built Rover and they actually pioneered the Parabolic). I've yet to see these used in a cruiser application, but would like to talk to some folks who have and compare their experiences with ours and the rest of the rover set. The Cruisers are the newer aspect of our business, with Rovers being the real main aspect. I'd like to see the differences.

05-14-04, 09:24 AM	#24
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 764	Parabolic Springs I should be getting my set on Tuesday/Wednesday next week. Since I have just put new shackles and bolts on the truck I'm hoping it will all come apart easily and I can fit the Parabolics in a few hours. I will give them a good test and write my report. As I said before, I fitted these on a series Landrover and loved 'em. I will wait and see how my cruiser rides with them.. Cheers, Jim

05-14-04, 09:30 AM	#25
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 764	Parabolic Springs [quote author=dingo link=board=29;threadid=16201;start=msg156673#msg15 6673 date=1084499610] So If they're supposed to be so good, why dont you see more parabolic springs in North America?? [/quote] Good question. Why don't you get diesel's either? Over 30% of car sales in Europe are diesel powered but the US hasn't yet picked up on the benefit of diesel power. There's a lot more that's good that the US doesn't have... like English beer. Oh, do you know why the English drink warm beer? It's because our refrigerators are made in the US Jim

05-14-04, 09:42 AM	#26
TOZOVR IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 395	Parabolic Springs [quote author=Jim_Phillips link=board=29;threadid=16201;start=msg156941#msg15 6941 date=1084548600] Good question. Why don't you get diesel's either? Over 30% of car sales in Europe are diesel powered but the US hasn't yet picked up on the benefit of diesel power. There's a lot more that's good that the US doesn't have... like English beer. Oh, do you know why the English drink warm beer? It's because Lucan makes refridgerators as well!! Jim [/quote] Fixed it for you

05-14-04, 09:48 AM	#27
fsusteve IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Where the tarpon roll.... TLCA# 8714 Posts: 2,249 Blog Entries: 1	Parabolic Springs I remember seeing Skyjacker or somebody a few years ago making them for heeps, IIRC they were up to 6" of lift on 1-2 springs. I think they didn't sell well because nobody felt they'd last long before sagging.

05-14-04, 09:59 AM	#28
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 764	Parabolic Springs [quote author=TOZOVR link=board=29;threadid=16201;start=msg156966#msg15 6966 date=1084549328] Fixed it for you [/quote] HeHe - I think that might be right too

05-17-04, 08:27 AM	#29
TOZOVR IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 395	Parabolic Springs Hey guys, let me know if anyone in the US is interested....It looks as though we may pick up the US distributorship based on the Rover springs...since the channel will be open, we will have no problems getting them here for the FJ's....I plan on bringing a set in for my 62 regardless. RJ Browne and Ware Overland www.bwoverland.com

05-19-04, 01:50 PM	#30
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 764	Parabolic Springs Got the springs today and had time to fit the rears before it went dark. The centre pin on the spring is about two inches behind (towards the rear of the vehicle) than where the axle sits. I disconnected everything and got everyting to fit. But now the axle / wheel does not sit in the centre of the wheel well but towards the rear of the vehicle. Also, the rear prop shaft is extended further than it was so there is shiny metal (teeth) showing. And... the hand brake needs readjustment. Is all this normal with a 2 inch lift? CAn't say how it rides yet as the hand brake is still siezed.