Parabolic Springs - Page 2

fsusteve · 05-19-04, 02:19 PM

Are you sure you got them on in the right way? Have to ask.

jwest · 05-19-04, 07:02 PM

Sounds like you've got them in the wrong orientation. Your axle location should be unchanged. Measure your OEM springs, eye to spring pin, or use the stamped markings on the military wrap of the TIC parabolics to determine the orientation. The markings should be toward the rear, like the label on a t-shirt.

BTW, what bushings were supplied with your kit, ...nylon HB bushings or poly?

Jim_Phillips · 05-20-04, 02:42 AM

Have I got them the right way round??? As if...

Well, Actually, I did wonder before I fitted them if there was a right way round so I rang the manufacturer to check - and fitted them as instructed.

Guess what - I rang them again today and was told the person I spoke to yesterday is a little inexperienced and I have done them the wrong way round >:( He told me to do it the wrong way AAAAAGRRRRRGGGGHHHHH

6 hours it took and now I have to do it again :( >:(

Jim_Phillips · 05-21-04, 04:29 AM

Job done. Could have been a lot easier had the springs come with fitting instructions - or had I not been given the wrong instructions over the phone.

Getting over the rage now as I have the new springs on and the pleasure of driving my cruiser with parabolics.

Just to recap... My origional springs were just a bit flat so I replaced them but they didn't give me the lift I was looking for.

I wanted to change the springs primarily to improve the ride height. I know Parabolics are meant to give great articulation - but that's not really relevant to me..

The parabolics are good. They ride well and are comfortable - but, they are the firm side of comfortable. I imagine they will improve with age. They have given a good lift - 4 inches higher than the origional Toyota springs which were very sagged. They look good too - see the pics.

I would say they are great value for money. They cost only a little more than the chaepo rubbish springs I have replaced and are about half the price of all the alternatives.

Cheers, Jim

Jim_Phillips · 05-21-04, 04:30 AM

another..

Jim_Phillips · 05-21-04, 04:31 AM

and another..

Jim_Phillips · 05-21-04, 04:33 AM

last one..

Do you want photos of the front springs anyone?

TOZOVR · 05-21-04, 07:40 AM

Jim, Looks great!

I have spoken with Paul and it looks like we *may* (Crossing fingers) become their US dealer.

What shocks did you go with?

RJ
BWO

Jim_Phillips · 05-21-04, 07:57 AM

I kept the ProComp shocks that came with the cheap springs. They are probably not the best but they do the job whils ££ is in short supply. What alternative would you suggest?

Paul certainly knows his stuff. He put me right on fitting them & told me he has fitted 30 sets and can do it under 3 hours - must have air tools. I've got tired arms after all those U bolts.....

TOZOVR · 05-21-04, 08:08 AM

LOL, key to ubolts is using Air or the new Gear Wrnches

Maybe OME John?

I'd love to see pics of the front springs!

RJ

Jim_Phillips · 05-21-04, 08:26 AM

Here we are..

Jim_Phillips · 05-21-04, 08:26 AM

another..

Jim_Phillips · 05-21-04, 08:27 AM

...last one

TOZOVR · 05-21-04, 08:27 AM

Jim, What brand shackles are those? Did you get them from TIC? Are they stock length?

Jim_Phillips · 05-21-04, 08:39 AM

The shackles came with the cheapo springs I just replaced. The company that sold them to me said they were Toyota shackles but I wouldn't bet on it. I don't know what 'stock' length is - but these are fractionally longer than 12cm

tclndcrz · 05-21-04, 08:47 AM

you need greasable shackles. They smooth out the ride. When i replaced my shocks i also got a much better ride.

Did you take any measurements before and after? did it really lift it a full 4 inches. Do you think it will sag much?

Jim_Phillips · 05-21-04, 08:59 AM

I'd like greasable shackles - maybe next on the list - ahead of new shocks.

I got a 4 inch lift at the back but 3 inch at the front. My old springs were very bad though. These measurements are with 31 inch tyres

Jim_Phillips · 05-21-04, 09:02 AM

I don't know how much it will sag - my Landrover didn't sag much. I suppose time will tell. I'll take the measurements again in a month or so and repost.

tclndcrz · 05-21-04, 12:51 PM

great! thanks Jim

fsusteve · 05-22-04, 07:20 AM

Looks good Jim, did the springs come in different tension ratings, ie soft, med, heavy?

Jim_Phillips · 05-22-04, 10:32 AM

As I understand it, at the moment the rears come with the extra helper leaf - ie Heavy duty. The salesman told me that with the next batch it will be possible to add or remove leaves depending on your preferences.

Mike S · 05-22-04, 10:57 AM

Jim

Very nice looking 60!

I notice that you have the rear anti-sway bar attached in what looks like stock configuration. Is this the case? Or did you have to use some extension?

Mike S

tclndcrz · 05-22-04, 02:49 PM

i believe that the anti-sway bar on the 62 series does not need to be changed. I have 3" of lift and my sway bar is fine.

Jim_Phillips · 05-23-04, 01:44 AM

Sway bar fitted fine. I just jacked up the axle until it all lined up.

elpfj60 · 05-23-04, 04:40 PM

was that price u gave for the total kit? roughly $700 + shipping for springs, bolts, bushings, shocks, etc?

Jim_Phillips · 05-24-04, 02:14 AM

The price I paid - roughly $750 - was for springs + U bolts. I already had the bushings & shocks

Jim

Jonathan_Ferguson · 08-28-04, 10:01 PM

How's the Parabolics going after a few months?

WALoeIII · 08-29-04, 11:23 PM

Good Question:

Also, I fail to see how these are much different from traditional leaf springs, can anyone enlighten me? Also if I used something like this to augment the 2" Shackle Lift, would I gain another 3 inches? This could enable me to go to 35s while still staying SUA?

Jim_Phillips · 08-31-04, 07:56 AM

Jonathan

The truck is still too bouncy for my liking. I have been working on the problem with the manufacturer and changed the shocks from ProComp to Koni (adjustable) The change wasn't as dramatic as I hoped but there was some improvement. Seems the maximum damping gives the best ride. This weekend I removed the helper leaf on the rear springs - there was a slight improvement again.

In summary:

The springs are good value for money (around $750US)
Give a good ride height (+ 2 inches) No sagging so far.
Give plenty of flex off road
Like all new springs they are bouncy at first - they are getting better but are not as good as I would like.

WALoeIII - they are different from traditional springs in that they do not have the interleaf friction which reduces bendability. As a result they are very flexable, light and cheaper to manufacture.

Cheers, Jim

Jonathan_Ferguson · 09-01-04, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Phillips

Jonathan

The truck is still too bouncy for my liking. I have been working on the problem with the manufacturer and changed the shocks from ProComp to Koni (adjustable) The change wasn't as dramatic as I hoped but there was some improvement. Seems the maximum damping gives the best ride. This weekend I removed the helper leaf on the rear springs - there was a slight improvement again.

In summary:

The springs are good value for money (around $750US)
Give a good ride height (+ 2 inches) No sagging so far.
Give plenty of flex off road
Like all new springs they are bouncy at first - they are getting better but are not as good as I would like.

WALoeIII - they are different from traditional springs in that they do not have the interleaf friction which reduces bendability. As a result they are very flexable, light and cheaper to manufacture.

Cheers, Jim

If the Damper problem is insufficient rebound Dampening, then the fix may be Monotube Dampers such as Bilstein or Doetsch Tech.
The Koni Dampers are not really suitable for Four Wheel Driving, due to eventual fade as the're a Hydraulic Twin Tube. The good thing about 'em is that the rebound Dampening is adjustable.

I was originally considering the Doetsch Tech Prerunner, Now I may have to spend the little extra for the Monotube.

05-19-04, 02:19 PM	#31
fsusteve IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Where the tarpon roll.... TLCA# 8714 Posts: 1,761 Blog Entries: 1	Parabolic Springs Are you sure you got them on in the right way? Have to ask.

05-19-04, 07:02 PM	#32
jwest IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 681	Re:Parabolic Springs Sounds like you've got them in the wrong orientation. Your axle location should be unchanged. Measure your OEM springs, eye to spring pin, or use the stamped markings on the military wrap of the TIC parabolics to determine the orientation. The markings should be toward the rear, like the label on a t-shirt. BTW, what bushings were supplied with your kit, ...nylon HB bushings or poly?

05-20-04, 02:42 AM	#33
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs Have I got them the right way round??? As if... Well, Actually, I did wonder before I fitted them if there was a right way round so I rang the manufacturer to check - and fitted them as instructed. Guess what - I rang them again today and was told the person I spoke to yesterday is a little inexperienced and I have done them the wrong way round >:( He told me to do it the wrong way AAAAAGRRRRRGGGGHHHHH 6 hours it took and now I have to do it again :( >:(

05-21-04, 04:29 AM	#34
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs Job done. Could have been a lot easier had the springs come with fitting instructions - or had I not been given the wrong instructions over the phone. Getting over the rage now as I have the new springs on and the pleasure of driving my cruiser with parabolics. Just to recap... My origional springs were just a bit flat so I replaced them but they didn't give me the lift I was looking for. I wanted to change the springs primarily to improve the ride height. I know Parabolics are meant to give great articulation - but that's not really relevant to me.. The parabolics are good. They ride well and are comfortable - but, they are the firm side of comfortable. I imagine they will improve with age. They have given a good lift - 4 inches higher than the origional Toyota springs which were very sagged. They look good too - see the pics. I would say they are great value for money. They cost only a little more than the chaepo rubbish springs I have replaced and are about half the price of all the alternatives. Cheers, Jim

05-21-04, 04:30 AM	#35
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs another..

05-21-04, 04:31 AM	#36
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs and another..

05-21-04, 04:33 AM	#37
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs last one.. Do you want photos of the front springs anyone?

05-21-04, 07:40 AM	#38
TOZOVR IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 258	Parabolic Springs Jim, Looks great! I have spoken with Paul and it looks like we may (Crossing fingers) become their US dealer. What shocks did you go with? RJ BWO

05-21-04, 07:57 AM	#39
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs I kept the ProComp shocks that came with the cheap springs. They are probably not the best but they do the job whils ££ is in short supply. What alternative would you suggest? Paul certainly knows his stuff. He put me right on fitting them & told me he has fitted 30 sets and can do it under 3 hours - must have air tools. I've got tired arms after all those U bolts.....

05-21-04, 08:08 AM	#40
TOZOVR IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 258	Parabolic Springs LOL, key to ubolts is using Air or the new Gear Wrnches Maybe OME John? I'd love to see pics of the front springs! RJ

05-21-04, 08:26 AM	#41
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs Here we are..

05-21-04, 08:27 AM	#43
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs ...last one

05-21-04, 08:27 AM	#44
TOZOVR IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 258	Parabolic Springs Jim, What brand shackles are those? Did you get them from TIC? Are they stock length?

05-21-04, 08:39 AM	#45
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs The shackles came with the cheapo springs I just replaced. The company that sold them to me said they were Toyota shackles but I wouldn't bet on it. I don't know what 'stock' length is - but these are fractionally longer than 12cm

05-21-04, 08:47 AM	#46
tclndcrz IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bozeman MT TLCA# 14430 Posts: 933	Parabolic Springs you need greasable shackles. They smooth out the ride. When i replaced my shocks i also got a much better ride. Did you take any measurements before and after? did it really lift it a full 4 inches. Do you think it will sag much?

08-28-04, 10:01 PM	#57
Jonathan_Ferguson IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Glen Waverley, Victoria, Australia TLCA# June 9th, 2002 Posts: 781	How's the Parabolics going after a few months? __________________ 1986 Nuclear Reactor 1985 Toyota LN65R *LIFE AIN'T WORTH LIVING WHEN YOU DIE BEFORE YOU'RE MEANT TO!*

05-21-04, 08:59 AM	#47
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs I'd like greasable shackles - maybe next on the list - ahead of new shocks. I got a 4 inch lift at the back but 3 inch at the front. My old springs were very bad though. These measurements are with 31 inch tyres

05-21-04, 09:02 AM	#48
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs I don't know how much it will sag - my Landrover didn't sag much. I suppose time will tell. I'll take the measurements again in a month or so and repost.

05-21-04, 12:51 PM	#49
tclndcrz IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bozeman MT TLCA# 14430 Posts: 933	Re:Parabolic Springs great! thanks Jim

05-22-04, 07:20 AM	#50
fsusteve IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Where the tarpon roll.... TLCA# 8714 Posts: 1,761 Blog Entries: 1	Parabolic Springs Looks good Jim, did the springs come in different tension ratings, ie soft, med, heavy?

05-22-04, 10:32 AM	#51
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs As I understand it, at the moment the rears come with the extra helper leaf - ie Heavy duty. The salesman told me that with the next batch it will be possible to add or remove leaves depending on your preferences.

05-22-04, 10:57 AM	#52
Mike S IH8MUD Lifer - No Appeal Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,497	Re:Parabolic Springs Jim Very nice looking 60! I notice that you have the rear anti-sway bar attached in what looks like stock configuration. Is this the case? Or did you have to use some extension? Mike S

05-22-04, 02:49 PM	#53
tclndcrz IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bozeman MT TLCA# 14430 Posts: 933	Re:Parabolic Springs i believe that the anti-sway bar on the 62 series does not need to be changed. I have 3" of lift and my sway bar is fine.

05-23-04, 01:44 AM	#54
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs Sway bar fitted fine. I just jacked up the axle until it all lined up.

05-23-04, 04:40 PM	#55
elpfj60 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: El paso, tx Posts: 37	Re:Parabolic Springs was that price u gave for the total kit? roughly $700 + shipping for springs, bolts, bushings, shocks, etc?

05-24-04, 02:14 AM	#56
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Parabolic Springs The price I paid - roughly $750 - was for springs + U bolts. I already had the bushings & shocks Jim

08-29-04, 11:23 PM	#58
WALoeIII IH8MUD Regular Join Date: May 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 450	Good Question: Also, I fail to see how these are much different from traditional leaf springs, can anyone enlighten me? Also if I used something like this to augment the 2" Shackle Lift, would I gain another 3 inches? This could enable me to go to 35s while still staying SUA? __________________ -- Andrew Journal - FJ60 - Wheeling 84' FJ60

08-31-04, 07:56 AM	#59
Jim_Phillips IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 619	Jonathan The truck is still too bouncy for my liking. I have been working on the problem with the manufacturer and changed the shocks from ProComp to Koni (adjustable) The change wasn't as dramatic as I hoped but there was some improvement. Seems the maximum damping gives the best ride. This weekend I removed the helper leaf on the rear springs - there was a slight improvement again. In summary: The springs are good value for money (around $750US) Give a good ride height (+ 2 inches) No sagging so far. Give plenty of flex off road Like all new springs they are bouncy at first - they are getting better but are not as good as I would like. WALoeIII - they are different from traditional springs in that they do not have the interleaf friction which reduces bendability. As a result they are very flexable, light and cheaper to manufacture. Cheers, Jim __________________ 1979 BJ40 - Now in Morocco 1989 HJ62 - Now in Pieces The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a leaky tire