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it wasnt really running well enough to narrow it down using carb spray nor propane
I did however find the problem!
I took the carb off for the 176253rd time and made a plate to go over the opening in the intake and threaded an air hose fitting onto it. I fed around 5-10psi in the mainfold listening for leaks, I then dumped water all over it and it began bubbling all along every intake port. I rechecked the torque values and they were good, looks like I'm getting a new gasket. I it was however a pain in the ass to get the manifolds off!!
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