Gear Reduction Starter!

Nomis · 06-04-06, 10:52 PM

Removed my original starter as it would grind on occasion. Installed a Factory Toyota GR unit and wow - what a difference. I'm amazed that a smaller, lighter unit can be that much more powerful. It turns over uber-fast now. I would highly recommend this upgrade to anyone.

pygpen · 06-04-06, 10:58 PM

Hey, I just ordered a regular one from NAPA this afternoon and forgot about these

.
What is trhe application for the GR starter?
it will fit a 75 2F, right?
PMK

CruisinGA · 06-04-06, 11:10 PM

App is any FJ60.

Toyota has replaced all earlier starters with this one.

Definatly a good upgrade...

Quote:

Originally Posted by pygpen

Hey, I just ordered a regular one from NAPA this afternoon and forgot about these

.
What is trhe application for the GR starter?
it will fit a 75 2F, right?
PMK

pygpen · 06-05-06, 12:06 AM

Cool, I'll see whats in the box tomorrow....
PMK

WES1977 · 06-05-06, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nomis

Removed my original starter as it would grind on occasion. Installed a Factory Toyota GR unit and wow - what a difference. I'm amazed that a smaller, lighter unit can be that much more powerful. It turns over uber-fast now. I would highly recommend this upgrade to anyone.

How much was this starter?

Nomis · 06-05-06, 11:16 AM

I believe they list just under $200. I'm sure CDan can provide a much better deal.

mustardfj40 · 06-05-06, 11:56 AM

Pat, I'm running a FJ60 starter in my '75. I bought a rebuilt from Stevens Creek Toyota (25% for TLCA member) but when opened the box I got a brand new starter instead.

/td

bsevans · 06-05-06, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nomis

I believe they list just under $200. I'm sure CDan can provide a much better deal.

I went to my local alternator/starter repair shop and they order a rebuilt one for under $90 plus a core (definitely non-working) which I pickup for cheap. I asked MAF what company they got their rebuilds from ($125) and it was the same name that was on the box mine was delivered in. This was a unit that fit 2F motors E to 8/92 and was the non-Bosch made in Japan version.

mountainman · 06-05-06, 12:04 PM

I bought a used one from Cruiserparts.net for $50.00. That was over a year ago,and still works great.

pygpen · 06-06-06, 05:04 PM

Ok, I got the gear reduction starter from NAPA, 89.99 + 22.22 core.
It has two hook ups, obviously one for the battery and the other for "start"
My problem is my 75 FJ40 has the battery connection, a slip on spade conection (black/white), and another conector.
This one goes to a stud on the solenoid. The wire is black/red, but goes imediatly to a plug and changes to Black/white. This black/white wire is smaller diameter than the other one.
Where do I connect this?
PMK

bsevans · 06-06-06, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pygpen

Ok, I got the gear reduction starter from NAPA, 89.99 + 22.22 core.
It has two hook ups, obviously one for the battery and the other for "start"
My problem is my 75 FJ40 has the battery connection, a slip on spade conection (black/white), and another conector.
This one goes to a stud on the solenoid. The wire is black/red, but goes imediatly to a plug and changes to Black/white. This black/white wire is smaller diameter than the other one.
Where do I connect this?
PMK

You don't; wrap the terminal with tape and tuck it out of sight. If you want an explanation you need to refer to the wiring diagram. It is not needed or used on the gear reduction starters.

Poser · 06-06-06, 06:04 PM

If I recall correctly, the other wire from the solenoid is a ballast resistor bypass lead. When the key is in the start position, this lead will send a full 12 volts to the coil instead of the seven to nine it sees in the run position going through the ballast resistor.

pygpen · 06-06-06, 06:10 PM

Gotcha!
I remember this from highschool shop now!
Thanks guys!
PMK

projektdotnet · 06-06-06, 10:07 PM

will this work in a 10/74 fj40 (F motor)

CruisinGA · 06-06-06, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by projektdotnet

will this work in a 10/74 fj40 (F motor)

yes

projektdotnet · 06-06-06, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CruisinGA

yes

thanks

i will bookmark this for the next time I need a new starter

CruisinGA · 06-07-06, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by projektdotnet

thanks

i will bookmark this for the next time I need a new starter

I would find a cheap used one somewhere and put that in now...

really it makes such a difference it is not something worth waiting to do.

projektdotnet · 10-22-06, 10:14 PM

Anyone have a napa p/n by chance for these?

CruisinGA · 10-22-06, 10:24 PM

just ask for a starter for a 82-87 land cruiser...

sine80 · 10-22-06, 10:53 PM

got mine for free.99 from greenfox last week! the gear reduction kicks ass. and I got a brand new regular starter I used only for a few months which will work for a spare for now.

mike

projektdotnet · 10-23-06, 05:36 AM

Mine still works but I need to start finding SMALL projects I can do at home on mine over the winter months. Thanks for the info!

762fmj · 10-23-06, 07:46 AM

On the NAPA part number question.

1987 Land Cruiser I assume thats an Fj60 with a 2F?

Parts guys are not the smartest and seem to need every detail to put in their computer to get an answer. When I do this, I just want to make sure I get the correct part.

Is there any shimming involved in this swap to get the teeth to line up correctly?

I haven't done this on a 2F before soooooooooooo be patient

The only stupid ? is the one not asked

CruisinGA · 10-23-06, 08:34 AM

every landcruiser from a few years before 82 through 87 ALL had the correct starter regardless of options.

No shimming.

The only thing that may be slightly different is the wiring. And the fact that there is no provision for the ballast resistor bypass. (not a factor for your '80 model)

762fmj · 10-23-06, 08:50 AM

Ok, It is a possibility that my starter might be the GR one? It seems pretty slow. How can I find out?

John Smith · 10-23-06, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by projektdotnet

Anyone have a napa p/n by chance for these?

I just did this upgrade a few months ago when my original starter died. I got Napa part number 44-6154 which is the lifetime warranty one.

762fmj · 10-23-06, 09:48 AM

John,
Awesome. Did you notice a big difference?

Landpimp · 10-23-06, 09:58 AM

I actaully think its 82 thru at least 92 that works, might be thru 97, but to be safe 82-7 is good

can swap even to the early F motors, I have one on my 64 FJ45LV.....took just a few mins to change the wiring around to make it work

Quote:

Originally Posted by CruisinGA

every landcruiser from a few years before 82 through 87 ALL had the correct starter regardless of options.

No shimming.

The only thing that may be slightly different is the wiring. And the fact that there is no provision for the ballast resistor bypass. (not a factor for your '80 model)

John Smith · 10-23-06, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 762fmj

John,
Awesome. Did you notice a big difference?

I really have not noticed much of a difference except that the new starter sounds different because it is gear reduction. Where I expect it to shine is in the rocks when I need to start it in gear from time to time.

06-04-06, 10:52 PM	#1
Nomis IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampa Posts: 867	Gear Reduction Starter! Removed my original starter as it would grind on occasion. Installed a Factory Toyota GR unit and wow - what a difference. I'm amazed that a smaller, lighter unit can be that much more powerful. It turns over uber-fast now. I would highly recommend this upgrade to anyone. __________________ 1976 FJ40 - See Build Up Thread Here: http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/125665-1976-fj40-build-up-resto-thread.html 1996 Lexus LX450 2006 Mustang GT V8 Manual Trans

06-04-06, 10:58 PM	#2
pygpen IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Delta TLCA# 8547 Posts: 427	Hey, I just ordered a regular one from NAPA this afternoon and forgot about these . What is trhe application for the GR starter? it will fit a 75 2F, right? PMK __________________ when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. Benicia, Ca. My Cruisers PMK

06-05-06, 12:06 AM	#4
pygpen IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Delta TLCA# 8547 Posts: 427	Cool, I'll see whats in the box tomorrow.... PMK __________________ when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. Benicia, Ca. My Cruisers PMK

06-05-06, 11:16 AM	#6
Nomis IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampa Posts: 867	I believe they list just under $200. I'm sure CDan can provide a much better deal. __________________ 1976 FJ40 - See Build Up Thread Here: http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=125665 1996 Lexus LX450 2006 Mustang GT V8 Manual Trans

06-05-06, 11:56 AM	#7
mustardfj40 IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Silicon Valley TLCA# 6453 Posts: 616	Pat, I'm running a FJ60 starter in my '75. I bought a rebuilt from Stevens Creek Toyota (25% for TLCA member) but when opened the box I got a brand new starter instead. /td __________________ '75 FJ40 mostly stock....yeah right! www.employees.org/~dirttrak

06-05-06, 12:04 PM	#9
mountainman IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Pa. TLCA# 15261 Posts: 178	I bought a used one from Cruiserparts.net for $50.00. That was over a year ago,and still works great.

06-06-06, 05:04 PM	#10
pygpen IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Delta TLCA# 8547 Posts: 427	Ok, I got the gear reduction starter from NAPA, 89.99 + 22.22 core. It has two hook ups, obviously one for the battery and the other for "start" My problem is my 75 FJ40 has the battery connection, a slip on spade conection (black/white), and another conector. This one goes to a stud on the solenoid. The wire is black/red, but goes imediatly to a plug and changes to Black/white. This black/white wire is smaller diameter than the other one. Where do I connect this? PMK __________________ when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. Benicia, Ca. My Cruisers PMK

06-06-06, 06:04 PM	#12
Poser Oh...Durka Durka Durka. Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: in the shop TLCA# 1856 Posts: 13,955	If I recall correctly, the other wire from the solenoid is a ballast resistor bypass lead. When the key is in the start position, this lead will send a full 12 volts to the coil instead of the seven to nine it sees in the run position going through the ballast resistor.

06-06-06, 06:10 PM	#13
pygpen IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Delta TLCA# 8547 Posts: 427	Gotcha! I remember this from highschool shop now! Thanks guys! PMK __________________ when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. Benicia, Ca. My Cruisers PMK

06-06-06, 10:07 PM	#14
projektdotnet iCruz Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,775	will this work in a 10/74 fj40 (F motor) __________________ "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

10-22-06, 10:14 PM	#18
projektdotnet iCruz Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,775	Anyone have a napa p/n by chance for these? __________________ "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

10-22-06, 10:24 PM	#19
CruisinGA Ramblin Wreck Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Georgia Tech Posts: 5,408	just ask for a starter for a 82-87 land cruiser... __________________ Bailey Quintrell '74 FJ40--37 Irocks-32 Bolt 'Locks-SM420-ARB-XD9000i-FJ60 PS-MetalTech Cage '93 FZJ80-DD-Part Time 4wd-locked-5" lifted-snorkel-bullbar-315 AT's '97 FZJ80 '98 UZJ100-OEM RR locker ΣΧ

10-22-06, 10:53 PM	#20
sine80 IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Stockton, CA TLCA# 17109 Posts: 557	got mine for free.99 from greenfox last week! the gear reduction kicks ass. and I got a brand new regular starter I used only for a few months which will work for a spare for now. mike __________________

10-23-06, 05:36 AM	#21
projektdotnet iCruz Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,775	Mine still works but I need to start finding SMALL projects I can do at home on mine over the winter months. Thanks for the info! __________________ "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

10-23-06, 07:46 AM	#22
762fmj IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Buffalo, Wyoming Posts: 251	On the NAPA part number question. 1987 Land Cruiser I assume thats an Fj60 with a 2F? Parts guys are not the smartest and seem to need every detail to put in their computer to get an answer. When I do this, I just want to make sure I get the correct part. Is there any shimming involved in this swap to get the teeth to line up correctly? I haven't done this on a 2F before soooooooooooo be patient The only stupid ? is the one not asked __________________ 1980 FJ40 Land Crusher Republican Gub Owner www.2dreconbn.net

10-23-06, 08:34 AM	#23
CruisinGA Ramblin Wreck Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Georgia Tech Posts: 5,408	every landcruiser from a few years before 82 through 87 ALL had the correct starter regardless of options. No shimming. The only thing that may be slightly different is the wiring. And the fact that there is no provision for the ballast resistor bypass. (not a factor for your '80 model) __________________ Bailey Quintrell '74 FJ40--37 Irocks-32 Bolt 'Locks-SM420-ARB-XD9000i-FJ60 PS-MetalTech Cage '93 FZJ80-DD-Part Time 4wd-locked-5" lifted-snorkel-bullbar-315 AT's '97 FZJ80 '98 UZJ100-OEM RR locker ΣΧ

10-23-06, 08:50 AM	#24
762fmj IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Buffalo, Wyoming Posts: 251	Ok, It is a possibility that my starter might be the GR one? It seems pretty slow. How can I find out? __________________ 1980 FJ40 Land Crusher Republican Gub Owner www.2dreconbn.net

10-23-06, 09:48 AM	#26
762fmj IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Buffalo, Wyoming Posts: 251	John, Awesome. Did you notice a big difference? __________________ 1980 FJ40 Land Crusher Republican Gub Owner www.2dreconbn.net