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I am looking to solicite some ideas/guidance from the group on a project I'm going to be tackling in the near future.
I've got a 3F-E sitting on my engine stand right now and it will soon be put in my '73 frame.
I've read every scrap of 3F-E conversion information I can find on the internet and while I don't think it's going to be easy I think there's enough information out there for me to sort it all out.
One major sticking point in my mind right now centers around the wiring of the 3F-E in the FJ40. As I see it, I have four basic choices:
1. Integrate/splice the necessary FJ62 ECU related harness components into the factory FJ40 harness:
-I am scared to death of trying to splice the necessary connections from the FJ62 engine management functions into the old FJ40 harness. I have not been able to find any information on the net that gets into a lot of detail (that I am able to understand) that describes how this is accomplished. This route would also likely create a headache with troubleshooting because I'd have to use both a FJ40 and FJ62 schematic and many wires would likely be different colors on either end.
2. Rip out everything and go with a custom made Painless harness:
-I don't want to use a generic/Painless harness kit because frankly, I think it would be harder for me to go this route as I won't have a factory diagram to rely upon to diagnose future malfunctions.
3. Buy the uber-expensive ($750) cruiserparts.net FJ40 3F-E wiring harness:
-I'm not jazzed about this because -well, for one- it costs a lot more than I've got invested in the entire drivetrain and two, I'm just not sure if it is truly plug and play. I've not been able to find any information from anyone that has successfully used their harness for a 3F-E conversion.
4. Replace the main FJ40 wiring harness with a trimmed down FJ62 main wiring harness:
-This is the direction I'm currently leaning. When I pulled my engine, I also grabbed the complete, unmolested main wiring harness from the donor truck. I think, with the limited amount of FJ40 switches and connectors under the dash, I should be able to use the complete FJ62 harness instead of the Fj40 harness. I'm thinking I can strip out everything from the FJ62 harness I don't need (auto transmission, AC, power windows, mirrors, cruise control, etc) to reduce the size of the loom. I'm hoping I can just trace the wires needed for the FJ40 turn signal stalk, hazard, ignition switch, headlights, etc. and re-wire the FJ62 leads to install into the FJ40 harness connectors. To me, this seems to be the most simple choice, barring the purchase of an $800 wiring harness.
Am I missing something obvious? Over thinking it? Making something overly complex?
I hope this thread will be a resource for those who are also looking to do this swap in their truck. Basically... if I can do it, anyone can do it.
Here is a list of all the 3F-E resources I've been able to find:
Pappy's Draft PDF (very helpful)
Rockdoc's 2F-E conversion
Elripster's FJ60 to 3F-E conversion
Dan Moeller's de-smoging guide (useful even though I will be keeping the smog parts)
Tools R Us build thread
73tlcv8's conversion pdf
Tucker74's excellent 3FE conversion thread
MMW68's 3FE build thread
I've got a 3F-E sitting on my engine stand right now and it will soon be put in my '73 frame.
I've read every scrap of 3F-E conversion information I can find on the internet and while I don't think it's going to be easy I think there's enough information out there for me to sort it all out.
One major sticking point in my mind right now centers around the wiring of the 3F-E in the FJ40. As I see it, I have four basic choices:
1. Integrate/splice the necessary FJ62 ECU related harness components into the factory FJ40 harness:
-I am scared to death of trying to splice the necessary connections from the FJ62 engine management functions into the old FJ40 harness. I have not been able to find any information on the net that gets into a lot of detail (that I am able to understand) that describes how this is accomplished. This route would also likely create a headache with troubleshooting because I'd have to use both a FJ40 and FJ62 schematic and many wires would likely be different colors on either end.
2. Rip out everything and go with a custom made Painless harness:
-I don't want to use a generic/Painless harness kit because frankly, I think it would be harder for me to go this route as I won't have a factory diagram to rely upon to diagnose future malfunctions.
3. Buy the uber-expensive ($750) cruiserparts.net FJ40 3F-E wiring harness:
-I'm not jazzed about this because -well, for one- it costs a lot more than I've got invested in the entire drivetrain and two, I'm just not sure if it is truly plug and play. I've not been able to find any information from anyone that has successfully used their harness for a 3F-E conversion.
4. Replace the main FJ40 wiring harness with a trimmed down FJ62 main wiring harness:
-This is the direction I'm currently leaning. When I pulled my engine, I also grabbed the complete, unmolested main wiring harness from the donor truck. I think, with the limited amount of FJ40 switches and connectors under the dash, I should be able to use the complete FJ62 harness instead of the Fj40 harness. I'm thinking I can strip out everything from the FJ62 harness I don't need (auto transmission, AC, power windows, mirrors, cruise control, etc) to reduce the size of the loom. I'm hoping I can just trace the wires needed for the FJ40 turn signal stalk, hazard, ignition switch, headlights, etc. and re-wire the FJ62 leads to install into the FJ40 harness connectors. To me, this seems to be the most simple choice, barring the purchase of an $800 wiring harness.
Am I missing something obvious? Over thinking it? Making something overly complex?
I hope this thread will be a resource for those who are also looking to do this swap in their truck. Basically... if I can do it, anyone can do it.
Here is a list of all the 3F-E resources I've been able to find:
Pappy's Draft PDF (very helpful)
Rockdoc's 2F-E conversion
Elripster's FJ60 to 3F-E conversion
Dan Moeller's de-smoging guide (useful even though I will be keeping the smog parts)
Tools R Us build thread
73tlcv8's conversion pdf
Tucker74's excellent 3FE conversion thread
MMW68's 3FE build thread