Home IH8MUD Forum Photo Gallery IH8MUD Wiki CruiserFAQ.com Technical Links Product Reviews Tech Trivia IH8MUD Store

IH8MUD™ Forums
Support our Advertising Vendors!
Go Back   IH8MUD™ Forums > Toyota Tech Forums > 40- & 55-Series Tech

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-20-08, 02:46 PM   #1
IH8MUD Rookie
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 8
New Guy, admits he is dumb and needs help.

So I always thought Fj40's were cool so I got here in Florida and needed a car and then I saw a 1976 FJ40 on the side of the road and bought it.

So I really know nothing about 4x4's in general. I have no problem working on cars, I own a 1968 corvair and a 1972 VW bus so I am no stranger to having to fix my own cars and I am fairly competent. The problem is that I don't know jack about big trucks.

Here is what I know about my new toy:

1976
Front Disks
4.5" Under Axle OME lift
ARB pneumatic diff in the rear
I believe the front is stock
Thats all I can think of that would really be important right now. Anything else please ask me and I will find out.

So here is why I came here. I had no problems with it for the first month then I left the country for 1.5 months and when I came back I noticed a slight knocking sound coming from what sounds like the front/left. Maybe just the front though. It is fairly quiet and definitely is not related to the engine. It sounds like it is based on the speed that I am rolling ie, wheel, driveshaft, transfer case. I can only hear it at very low speeds 5-10 mph. I can also feel it in my foot as I drive. Above 15 mph is it too fast to discern between this sound and the engine / road noise. Also the engine/wind are louder than this noise.

Maybe I am being too sensitive, but I would rather be safe than sorry.

Also, I cannot tell if I am out of 4h and into 2h. How far forward is the knob supossed to go on the transfercase? Any suggestions on how to check this short of jacking up the truck and seeing what spins?

One last question.. Is there a good book to look at for procedures on this truck? Like for a VW you use the John Muir and for the Corvair everyone turns to Clark's for parts and a Haynes for procedures. Is there something similar to this for a Landcruiser?

Thanks in advance for your help,

Ben
TurboSpec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 02:53 PM   #2
In debt to the Shaman
 
pappy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Back in Reality
TLCA# 10004
Posts: 2,383
The best book will be the factory service manual from Toyota.

Checking to see if it's in 4WD is easy. Make sure the hubs on the front wheels are in the "free" position. Then reach under the truck and try and turn the front driveshaft. It it won't turn, you are still locked at the transfer case. If it spins, you are in 2WD.

Welcome to MUD! Stick around awhile and I guarantee you will be an expert in no time.


__________________

aka Bushrat
1969 FJ40 Project TEROTE: Tim@DOA 3FE stroker (aka 2FE), H55F, SOA/SR, 35" MT/R, 3:1TC ... assembly in process
1985 4Runner: lifted, locked, Tim@DOA 22RE, 4.7 tc, with 33" training wheels. R151F with dual 23-spline TCs in the garage.
pappy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 02:59 PM   #3
IH8MUD Lifer
 
lunyou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Rolla, MO (UMR)
Posts: 1,626
The factory service manuals like mentioned above are supposed to be the best thing available. They are very pricey though.

Welcome to MUD and sounds like you have a good start, ARB rear locker is a big step that I wish I could afford.

I don't like clicks that seem to be a function of rolling. Did anyone try and move your truck while you were out of country?

I am sure the experts will correct me if I am wrong but my truck which is a lot older than yours has the e-brake drum on the rear of the t-case. When test driving I didn't think the PO had it on and I broke it. The drum would spin until I reached a speed that just spun the broken drum the same speed as the driveshaft, at which point the clicking would stop.

I hope this isn't the case.

lunyou


__________________
1968 FJ-40 - 4.3 Chevy V6 and 3 spd*PICS ADDED(JUNE 01, 2008)
1985 FJ-60 - SPEEDY -My DD settin' on 33s and a rusty frame -parting out
1986 FJ-60 - is now topless THE BUILD UP
lunyou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 03:13 PM   #4
Semi Re-"tired"
 
rusty_tlc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Reno, NV
TLCA# 15069
Posts: 7,825
I'd start by taking a good look around the front end. Then jack up one wheel at a time and rotate it try to wiggle it lateraly and up and down to see if you find anything loose.

The Haynes manual for the Land Cruiser is pretty worthless for any thing beyond the most basic repairs.

There are two TLCA chapters in FLA, Toyota Clubs are a great way to meet other cruiser owners and to find help.

Northwest Florida Toyota 4WD

North Florida Cruiser Heads


__________________
Dan Johnson

Quote:
Originally Posted by DSRTRDR View Post
maybe your life took a vacation without you and that's why you are going crazy........
Battle Born Cruisers
FJ40, A couple of thingamajigs and a deally bob, fully integrated whatzits, dash board Hula girl (pending spousal approval.)
And a pair of Pink Panties, now with a doohicky in the front.
Rust never sleeps.
.- -.. --... -. .--
rusty_tlc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 03:32 PM   #5
IH8MUD Lifer
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,467
Corvair: Geez, not only do you admit to owning a Corvair, you seem to be saying you actually like them! What part of "unreliable, poorly engineered, rushed through production, reactionary marketing, top ten worst American cars" have you banished from your conscious thought?

Welcome to Mud:

Oh yeah, the light clicking sound: I'm hoping it's something simple like a rock stuck in the tire tread, a loose wheel weight, a ding in the rotor. But you know darn well tain't so!


__________________
The garage is no place to park an automobile. (TLCA-14131)
theo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 03:39 PM   #6
IH8MUD Lifer
 
MDH33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Evergreen, CO
TLCA# 16348
Posts: 1,012
If it sat for 1.5 months, are you sure you don't just have flat spots on the tires?


__________________
--Martin
1985 FJ60
1973 FJ40
TLCA # 16348
Rising Sun
MDH33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 03:44 PM   #7
LIFER with a 2F-ETI
 
matt.mcinnes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 1,720
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDH33 View Post
If it sat for 1.5 months, are you sure you don't just have flat spots on the tires?
This is not as silly as it sounds.

Welcome to mud


__________________
If the wife's not complaining your not spending enought time with your 40!
2F+3FE+T+I-3F=2F-ETI
THE MULE @ 400hp max Est @ 15PSI
DYNO'd at 8PSI 155rwkw/208rwhp and 650Nm

Links
Sponsored by OZZIEWEBHOSTING
Mac's Space
matt.mcinnes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 04:16 PM   #8
IH8MUD Addict
 
Weedhopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 569
Don't listen to Theo !!! Corvairs are cool !!! I had a friend with a Spyder a long time ago and we all lived thru it. Welcome to MUD !!!


__________________
Speed bumps hurt
78 FJ 40 Russstard..and a sistership for parts
Weedhopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 04:19 PM   #9
IH8MUD Junior
 
Jerry D.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Citrus Springs, Florida
TLCA# 7234
Posts: 183
Don't forget the Florida Land Cruiser Association (a TLCA chapter).

If you're near West Palm Beach, Orlando or Crystal River, there are members close by that may be able to help.

Jerry D.


__________________
1968 FJ40 - 2F, H41, ToyBox, 3 speed Xfer, 4.88’s, ARB's front and rear, York air, Saginaw PS w/Toyota pump, disk brakes around, Warn winch, Trail Gear 6 bolt knuckles, 4X4 Labs high steer, 38.5X14.5 TXL/SX, full cage, 3” body lift, 4” suspension lift, FF rear axle.

2007 FJCruiser: empty bank account.

Member: Toyota Land Cruiser Association; Florida Land Cruiser Association; FL4WDA
Jerry D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 04:24 PM   #10
IH8MUD Rookie
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: NW Colorado
TLCA# not yet.
Posts: 12
I'd vote for flat spotting too. Some tires seem to be worse than others.

I used a Haynes manual for quite a while before recently getting the Toyota FSM's. They're definitely better, but the Haynes got me through quite a bit of repairs.

Judging from your other vehicles, you'll also need to take note that the engine is in the FRONT.....


__________________
'78 fj40. Mostly stock... work in progress. Maybe "slow children at play" is more accurate.
boysrus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-08, 05:21 PM   #11
IH8MUD Addict
 
Weedhopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 569
And WATER cooled!!! Yeah I vote for the Toyota manuals, but it's handy to have a Haynes too.


__________________
Speed bumps hurt
78 FJ 40 Russstard..and a sistership for parts
Weedhopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-08, 11:51 AM   #12
IH8MUD Rookie
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 8
Awesome, thanks for all the responses.

I verified that I am in 2h, so that's one problem down. Thanks pappy.

I went out in a parking lot this morning and drove real slow to try to locate the sound and the more I listen the more it sounds like it is coming from the rear right. So I got to work and crawled under there to check for anything obvious. I really didn't notice anything but I'm sure thats not saying much. I checked for play in the rear drive shaft and there is a bit of play in it. How much is normal?

I also noticed an alarming amount of oil dripping from the transfer case. Maybe one drop every 45-50 seconds. I looked around the area and it seems to be dripping more from the rear than the front. I took some pictures and will post them in a minute.

It is not so much a clicking sound as it is a thudding or knocking.

By the way my corvair is an amazing car. Ralph Nader later retracted all the bad things he said about them in "Unsafe at Any Speed". He said he just attacked GM to make a name for himself and he chose them because they were the biggest American manufacturer at the time.

Thanks again,

Ben
TurboSpec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-08, 12:15 PM   #13
IH8MUD Rookie
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 8
Here are three pictures of where it is dripping. The first two are the view looking forward and the third is looking straight up at where it appears to be leaking from. Possibly a bad gasket on the other side of that bolt?

Let me know what you think.
Attached Images
   
TurboSpec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-08, 12:21 PM   #14
IH8MUD Lifer
 
CruisinMT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Montana
Posts: 1,178
thats a pretty common leak on these rigs. New gaskets and maybe a sleeve should cure it. Other members will have more info I've yet to replace mine.


__________________
67' FJ40 3- On the Tree
Rebuilt F 135, Bored 50 Over
1.5" Extended Shackles and 33 x 9.5's
"REZ RUNNER"
My ROTW http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series...cruisinmt.html

08/89 FJ62 "Bruiser" Wife's DD
31 x 10.50 on Stock Steelies
327K on the body
76k on Rebuilt 3Fe and Tranny

"I'm not a mechanic, I just play one in my garage."
CruisinMT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-08, 12:30 PM   #15
IH8MUD Rookie
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 8
Luckily the fluid coming out looks real healthy. A nice golden brown, like new motor oil.
TurboSpec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-08, 12:37 PM   #16
In debt to the Shaman
 
pappy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Back in Reality
TLCA# 10004
Posts: 2,383
Rear seal would be my guess. Pretty easy to replace.


__________________

aka Bushrat
1969 FJ40 Project TEROTE: Tim@DOA 3FE stroker (aka 2FE), H55F, SOA/SR, 35" MT/R, 3:1TC ... assembly in process
1985 4Runner: lifted, locked, Tim@DOA 22RE, 4.7 tc, with 33" training wheels. R151F with dual 23-spline TCs in the garage.
pappy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-08, 01:32 PM   #17
IH8MUD Rookie
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 8
So I will tear it down and replace whatever I need to. Is there someplace to purchase a complete seals kit?

Any good website or distributor of FJ40 parts?

In the mean time, until I have that Toyota Factory Service Manual I don't know jack about this truck. What kind of gear oil should I be feeding this thing and how can I check the level?
TurboSpec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-08, 02:10 PM   #18
Magic on the Mic
 
Felix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Alexandria, VA
TLCA# 15204
Posts: 1,441
Do a search for "cruiserdan" He's a cruiser whiz and parts manager at American Toyota in NM. I don't know about your local dealerships, but I can call Dan and get the parts I need to my door faster (I'm in DC) and for less money than I could from the dealership down the street. He can tell you how to order the Toyota FSM, too.

90 weight gear oil for the tranny, t-case and differentials. You can check the level in the t-case by opening up the fill plug. It's on the drivers side of the transfer case, a few inches up the side. The oil level should be right to that fill hole. Just stick your finger in to check.


__________________
Felix
'75 FJ40 - kinda stock-ish
Capital Land Cruiser Club
Felix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-08, 04:24 PM   #19
Cruiser Curmudgeon
 
FJ40Jim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Lancaster, Ohio, USA
TLCA# 1914
Posts: 3,049
Get the complete T-case rebuild kit from Kurt at CruiserOutfitters.

You may also need to get some specific parts from C-dan, like e-brake shoes and various shims & snap rings.


__________________
Thanks,
Jim C.
TLC Performance
Underhood Janitor, cleaning up other people's since 1988.
FJ40Jim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-08, 05:37 PM   #20
IH8MUD Junior
 
MTPCRUISER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Mt Pleasant, SC
TLCA# 16856
Posts: 166
A couple of suggestions. Now that you're into the madness, buy a star to help support the site. You'll be able to post all the photos you want.

Parts are readily available. CDan is a good source, but don't forget about your local Toyota dealer. They still have a surprisingly large selection of parts for the older cruisers.

Welcome!


__________________
"To enjoy life to the fullest, take big bites. Moderation is for monks." (RAH)

'77 FJ40
'05 Volvo S60R
MTPCRUISER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-08, 05:23 PM   #21
IH8MUD Junior
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: south carolina
TLCA# 18699
Posts: 171
i bought a transfer seal kit from cruiserparts.net. it wasnt that hard to replace.
AGreekBoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-08, 08:47 PM   #22
IH8MUD Addict
 
bsmith123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 691
welcome

Welcome to MUD,


You got an ARB locker in the rear?--nice bit of kit from a P/O!

Slop in the ujoints will give you a clunking sound

post pics of the 40 when you can

I have the same leak to tackle but theres loads of info on here if you do a forum search



__________________
B Smith123

Chaos, panic, & disorder - my work here is done.

The easy way ain't cheap and the cheap way ain't easy!!!

71 FJ frame off build "UGLY BETTY"
33 in BFGs, 4 inch HFS lift, Durabak lined tub, and a soft top on the way!
bsmith123 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-08, 10:16 PM   #23
IH8MUD Junior
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Inverness, FL
Posts: 190
Where are ya in Florida?
JB740i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-08, 07:09 AM   #24
IH8MUD Junior
 
cruiserfreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Beirut, Lebanon
Posts: 180
welcome to mud, soon ur pockets will be empty. u'll probably be trading ur two other cars for fj40 parts.

POST PICS OF THE RIG!!!!


__________________
1983 FJ40
2006 Honda CBR 600RR
cruiserfreek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-08, 07:50 AM   #25
IH8MUD Regular
 
mikealeus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Redding, CA
TLCA# 15677
Posts: 366
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboSpec View Post
So I always thought Fj40's were cool so I got here in Florida and needed a car and then I saw a 1976 FJ40 on the side of the road and bought it.

So I really know nothing about 4x4's in general. I have no problem working on cars, I own a 1968 corvair and a 1972 VW bus so I am no stranger to having to fix my own cars and I am fairly competent. The problem is that I don't know jack about big trucks.

Here is what I know about my new toy:

1976
Front Disks
4.5" Under Axle OME lift
ARB pneumatic diff in the rear
I believe the front is stock
Thats all I can think of that would really be important right now. Anything else please ask me and I will find out.

So here is why I came here. I had no problems with it for the first month then I left the country for 1.5 months and when I came back I noticed a slight knocking sound coming from what sounds like the front/left. Maybe just the front though. It is fairly quiet and definitely is not related to the engine. It sounds like it is based on the speed that I am rolling ie, wheel, driveshaft, transfer case. I can only hear it at very low speeds 5-10 mph. I can also feel it in my foot as I drive. Above 15 mph is it too fast to discern between this sound and the engine / road noise. Also the engine/wind are louder than this noise.

Maybe I am being too sensitive, but I would rather be safe than sorry.

Also, I cannot tell if I am out of 4h and into 2h. How far forward is the knob supossed to go on the transfercase? Any suggestions on how to check this short of jacking up the truck and seeing what spins?

One last question.. Is there a good book to look at for procedures on this truck? Like for a VW you use the John Muir and for the Corvair everyone turns to Clark's for parts and a Haynes for procedures. Is there something similar to this for a Landcruiser?

Thanks in advance for your help,

Ben
Are you sure you have an OME 4.5" lift? I thought they only make a 2.5" lift. Welcome to craziness and post some pics!


__________________
1971 Freeborn Red FJ40 (sold) 1978 Mustard FJ40
2001 Silver Tundra 4WD
2000 BMW Z3
1998 Honda Accord
XT225 Yamaha
mikealeus is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump