2F + 3F-E = 2F-ETI Into My FJ40

Mark W · 02-01-07, 11:44 AM

Screw it. Buy a helicopter. You'll never make that Cruiser go where a copter will, no matter what you do to the pile of junk.

Mark...

matt.mcinnes · 02-01-07, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark W

Screw it. Buy a helicopter. You'll never make that Cruiser go where a copter will, no matter what you do to the pile of junk.

Mark...

If only I had thought of that first

CruisinFJ60 · 02-01-07, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark W

Screw it. Buy a helicopter. You'll never make that Cruiser go where a copter will, no matter what you do to the pile of junk.

Mark...

i bet you could make it a helicopter....

Klunky Chris · 02-01-07, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pin_Head

OK, How about putting a racing saddle on a mule?
It is still a mule.

well...... I kind of like your analogy!

Mules are smarter than horses, they are level headed and don't get spooked as easily.
you can't work a mule to death like a horse (they're too smart)
they're stronger than horses and can do more farmwork
Mules handle temp extremes better (especially heat)
Mules are more *shure of foot* than horses.... they don't stumble or break their legs in groundhawg holes
Mules have a longer working lifespan...

if you get a gated mule you can ride it all day w/o getting a tired butt...

a gated mule is very expensive and in high demand..... starts around $4000

Sound familliar to anyone???

PS: I also like the tractor motor analogy..... I have yet to see any of my neighbors with a V8 in their tractor no matter how big it is

Klunky Chris · 02-01-07, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark W

Screw it. Buy a helicopter. You'll never make that Cruiser go where a copter will, no matter what you do to the pile of junk.

Mark...

BRILLIANT!
*English Guinness accent*

matt.mcinnes · 02-01-07, 02:21 PM

In tears here laughing

John Smith · 02-01-07, 02:41 PM

Why not an intercooler and water injection? Unless you move the bib forward I don't know where a intercooler would fit on the front of a 40 unless you mounted it into the hood.

CruisinFJ60 · 02-01-07, 02:46 PM

intercooler integrated into the hood....

run an electric fan on the underside of the hood and somhow have it grafted level with the top of the hood.... would be so sweet!

Mace · 02-01-07, 02:55 PM

One of the reasons I am not a great fan of intercoolers.. packaging..

matt.mcinnes · 02-01-07, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by John Smith

Why not an intercooler and water injection? Unless you move the bib forward I don't know where a intercooler would fit on the front of a 40 unless you mounted it into the hood.

Have friends with a water intercooler in there BJ 40 Turbo and the radiator is in it original position. Think there intercooler rad is where the Air con Rad used to be. Not 100% sure without looking but the intercooler came from a Subaru. That much I do know.

CruisinFJ60 · 02-01-07, 03:09 PM

if you could find a way to fit it an intercooler from a chevy 6.6 duramax is massive and has loads of cooling power.

Mace · 02-01-07, 03:38 PM

Water intercooler is an excellent idea..
It was what I was thinking just after typing my last statement.

Klunky Chris · 02-01-07, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by John Smith

Why not an intercooler and water injection? Unless you move the bib forward I don't know where a intercooler would fit on the front of a 40 unless you mounted it into the hood.

yea.... it was occuring to me that an intercooler up front in a cruiser might have some issues with mud etc. A clogged intercooler isn't going to do you much good.
I was thinking the exact same thing!

mounting in the hood or somewhere and putting a good 12v fan on it. if you don't need your heater, you could build a ducted intake from that side opening so you aren't getting engine compartment heat...

interesting.....

agent orange · 02-01-07, 04:34 PM

Are you getting a custom intake made? Perhaps you could have a air-to-water intercooler built into the plenum, like a wider version of the stock plenum. Let me search for how those are made, a lot of the newer roots blowers have a lower manifold with a cooler built into it. Or you could run freon through it like the ford lightings haha.

FJ40Jim · 02-01-07, 04:35 PM

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Screw it. Buy a helicopter. You'll never make that Cruiser go where a copter will, no matter what you do to the pile of junk.
Mark...

Actually, if I won the lotto, I'd buy an old C130 HerkyBird, cause it can carry many cruisers, people & camping gear and fly farther & faster than a chopper, but still land on a crappy little runway. or pasture. or sandbar....

agent orange · 02-01-07, 04:43 PM

Or, another good place to put an intercooler would be where the massive stock air cleaner goes. Since you would need to have whatever filter you have on the intake side of the turbo which im assuming will be on the drivers side, you could have to boost run across the top of the motor to one of those large, square coolers with dual inlets on top,and then run the intake almost like stock from the passenger fender to the manifold. It wouldnt be as big of a deal to have the cooler inside where is gets hot since you could put the reservoir for the cooler someplace isolated from the heat, since its the water in that style of cooler that does the cooling not just the airflow through the core carrying the heat away.

-Matt

matt.mcinnes · 02-01-07, 06:18 PM

Time to go and pic then engine up

matt.mcinnes · 02-02-07, 10:41 PM

Well the 3F-E has landed Tks Rob for drinking my beer oh and the lift off the trailer
Not bad for $300Aus complete.
Anyway stripped the head down inlet manifold and exhaust. Would have been nice if the unit was all in one peice but cant grumble at the price. the EFI had been removed and all the vacume lines pulled plus a few other bits. Will have fun putting it back together

But on the whole the head looks good no black oily cylinders either.
The head will make a trip to work for a good clean up in our industrial tool washing machine

Just need to score a 2F head gasket to check that all is as it should be compared to the 3F-E one. Every one says it matches but no way I'm shelling large out to find out it has issues
But let the fun begin

Mark W · 02-02-07, 11:05 PM

Felpro headgasket for the (late) 2F and the 3F is the same one.

Mark...

FJ40Jim · 02-03-07, 08:02 AM

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Felpro headgasket for the (late) 2F and the 3F is the same one.
Mark...

Same deal at toyota. The 85-87 2F headgasket partnumber has superseded to the 88-92 3FE number.
And it's $20 cheaper now.

matt.mcinnes · 02-03-07, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FJ40Jim

Same deal at toyota. The 85-87 2F headgasket partnumber has superseded to the 88-92 3FE number.
And it's $20 cheaper now.

As far as I can see the part number for a 1980 2F is the same as the 3F-E

The manifold gsket is different on the intake but my headers will bolt up as the exhaust ports are the same.

Just a pity the ceramic coated headers are of no use as I will need new custom built ones for the Turbo

matt.mcinnes · 02-03-07, 05:33 PM

Some useful info here

http://www.ih8mud.com/tech/3FE-Desmog_Guide.pdf

bswaney · 02-05-07, 11:26 PM

Needs a Flux Capacitor, too.

matt.mcinnes · 02-06-07, 02:45 AM

Well the the head is SPANKIN and off the the engine builders on Monday.

The injection rail came up well too, just have to sort out what injectors we are to use to suit the Turbo

Before

After

flaminbandit · 02-08-07, 03:11 AM

interesting
tho your wasting a heap of money to run petrol aswell as lpg
your entire lpg setup is gonna have to be replaced the only things you will keep are the tank and lines

will need a new converter and mixer as the setup you have atm wont support boost

go straight lpg using gas research bits $700 or so for all fueling issues solved

theres enmough servos in oz that have lpg that you dont need petrol

matt.mcinnes · 02-08-07, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by flaminbandit

interesting
tho your wasting a heap of money to run petrol aswell as lpg
your entire lpg setup is gonna have to be replaced the only things you will keep are the tank and lines

will need a new converter and mixer as the setup you have atm wont support boost

go straight lpg using gas research bits $700 or so for all fueling issues solved

theres enmough servos in oz that have lpg that you dont need petrol

I have yet to find a servo out bush that sells LPG other wise it would be an easy one and yes stright gas would then be the go with twin tanks. LPG is a plenty in the city but as you well know this is no Toorak tractor.
All ready relaised that we will have to repalce much of the LPG system

So for now the truck will be built around running Gas (Petrol) until the turbo instalation is complete then the Propane (LPG) added back in for economy.
I agree with your sentiments and in an ideal world multipoint LPG injection would be my fist choise turboed.
Some trips still require both full tanks and 40lts of jerry cans over a long weeekend bush.

FJ40Jim · 02-08-07, 11:00 PM

Matt, can you indulge us and translate to 'merrikun English?
"I have yet to find a servo out bush that sells LPG."
"LPG is a plenty in the city but as you well know this is no Toorak tractor."

matt.mcinnes · 02-08-07, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FJ40Jim

Matt, can you indulge us and translate to 'merrikun English?
"I have yet to find a servo out bush that sells LPG."
"LPG is a plenty in the city but as you well know this is no Toorak tractor."

I have yet to find a gas station in the middle of no where that sells Propane.
Propane is eaisly found in the city but as you well know this is not a Beverly hills Hummer

Think that translates pretty well

Oh yes the heads all good no cracks