[flintknapper]

Originally Posted by bigbertha

We actually used to live in Vermont but our lease was up, the owners sold the house and we found this farm in NY state and we bought it. It has turned out to be a huge error in judgement for many reasons, least of which is this ccw issue.

Sorry to hear that. Hopefully something better will work out for you.

We never in our wildest dreams thought we'd even be applying for CCW for any reason. In fact we are those liberals you are talking about so this in some stupid roundabout way could be construed as partially our own fault. However, it is somewhat close minded to use a blanket term like "liberals" to find fault in this ridiculous legislation we have in NYS.

Well....I hate to be "blunt", but it damn sure wasn't the conservatives fault. So...who else do I look to for these ridiculous, feel good, Utopian, laws that make it impossible for normal law abiding citizens to protect themselves?????????

I am a liberal, tree hugger, organic farmer, animal lover, recycler, solar power user, label me as you will.

Not trying to "label" you at all. I completely support and encourage you to live any legal lifestyle you wish.

I still believe in some level of gun control.

So do I....but there are currently over 22,000 gun laws on the books, so surely its all been covered. Hard to imagine we need any more.

I wish all guns were destroyed so noone needed any kind of gun.

Well...I wish had a million dollars and a 10 inch pecker too....but I don't have either...so I'll just have to live with reality.

Since this will probably never happen and I am a rational person I also have no problem with responsible people carrying appropriate non-automatic firearms for protection.

Its not "probably" never going to happen. It WILL never happen. And not to be negative, but things are only going to get worse. No....I am not happy about that, but thats reality.

I also wish I could carry concealed to protect my family and others because guns do exist and there are clearly bad people out there, people who have touched my life.

I wish you could carry concealed too (if you so choose). No question there are bad people out there, and they don't need a "gun" to harm you.

The problem is "bad people" not the tool they choose to use. I guess you have noticed that the "bad people" have all the guns they want. So, all those "liberal" laws aren't really working out so hot...except to effect YOU (the law abiding citizen).

Returning to Vermont actually is our final destination for many reasons, ccw not being among them, but it is nice that it is not an issue in the great green state. Unfortunately the housing market is crap, Vermont housing market is a sellers market and we can't just pick up and leave.

I understand, I truly hope things work out for you and your family.

Maybe it's stupid to go through all this to get what will amount to a relatively useless chunk of metal, but it is a small awkward step towards doing every thing I can to be prepared

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No, its not "stupid" to try to be prepared. Its "fruitless" perhaps...since the laws only allow you to carry under such restrictive conditions that its practically useless to you.

If, god forbid, something happens in the coming months when this psycho may be released at least there is a chance that this chunk of metal could save our lives

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I hope it doesn't come to that, but you may be assured that if an incident does occur, you will need to be able to deal with it yourself. The police will not be there until after it is all over. Not that they wouldn't try to stop someone...its just a plain fact they can't be everywhere all the time.

I refuse to do anything less than everything I can to be prepared to protect my family. If something happens at least I did my very fucking best.

And for this I commend you! Anything less is unthinkable IMO, and any real man...will do all in his power to protect his family against the unlawful acts of others who would seek to cause them harm.

To that end...I would ask that you extend that same right to others by supporting legislation that makes it possible for them to do so, and not legislation that effectively neuters them.

I will pray for a good outcome for you and your family. Prepare yourself as best you can...and stay alert.

Flint.