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Originally Posted by pagemaster
From what I saw over a cummins website and hino is that both engine makers are on the same page. The only engine that really stands out at cummins is the Ram 6.7 but that is tuned for marketing purposes.
I have no doubt that Toyota can pump out a diesel that of equivilent size, power and reliablity as on other American diesel.
Toyota has been making diesels since the 50's and the current diesel in the Land Cruiser is impressive make 520 lb from a 4.5.
The argument about DOHC vs Pushrod died back in the 90's.
I still don't understand why you are not going to buy a diesel Land Cruiser because it can't replace you 20k work truck. This just does not make any sense.
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You either have a comprehension problem, or are dipping in the KoolAid w/o knowing what flavor it is... My entire response was crafted around Dougal's statement of Toyota going head to head with cummins.... that's it.. I am not negating that toyota could build a fine diesel, or that they have access to manufacturers that can make a medium duty diesel... I am purely saying that is NOT their goal and is NOT their market. You wanted to start the pissing competition about cummins vs toyota - one's an apple, the other is a loquat....
I wouldn't buy a diesel LC to tow 20k lbs, I would buy a diesel LC to replace my current gasser 100 - but I make no bones about the fact that it is not a truck that i'd use to haul... I Would buy a V10 TDI toureg too - even with all their quality issues because i f'in love diesel's and turbos - period... i'd rather drive a CRAPPY diesel than a good gasser
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I'm gonna let the pushrod DOHC comment go - because it's clear you are much more concerned with new technology than technology that works - pushrod v8's, old or not - produce prodigous amounts of torque, weigh less, and are often as efficient if not MORE efficient than "modern" DOHC engines... new != better... There are some fantastic DOHC engines, just as there are STILL Fantastic pushrod engines....
Don't even get me going on gas prices.... my best friends wife works for Valero here in San Antonio, TX - they are getting STUPID bonuses because gas is going so high and company profits are through the roof - and when i say stupid, I'm not talking like 10-15%, I'm talking 50-80% or nearly doubling of their salaries in a quarter.... Valero put out an internal memo nearly 2 years ago discussing the plan to move gas prices upward to the 4$/gallon mark, and now we're there....
The joke of it all is that they are claiming supply/demand economics as the reason for the raise in gas prices, but the fact is that the US has more reserve gas now than it ever has had in it's history...
Now with all of that said, the fed and tree huggers are no help - there was a 35c price hike in one week last year as a result of the oil companies being forced to add new additives and cleansers to fuel - Valero had to go back and add these additives to fuel that was already manufacturerd... the result, about a 40% loss in volume because of the evaportion created by re structuring the fuel...
If you want someone to blame, point the finger both at the oil companies and the EPA who make rediculous policy decisions w/o any concern as to the economic outcome on the american populous.
Diesel is even worse... Diesel is basically a WASTE product it's the throw away from the creation of regular gas - at least it used to be, now it's been so regulated to death because Al Gore is so worried about global warming (even though science states the globe has COOLED 10 years in a row) that it has to be refined to the point it's almost edible and could be used to cook with...
consider me bitter - I get to write off almost all of my fuel every year, every single gallon - and I'm still bitter, I really do feel sorry for normal families who have to live so far outside of town to be able to afford a reasonable home for them and their family and then have to drive 30-40 miles each way to a job that pays 10$/hr (like the new Toyota plant in San Anotnio, 30 miles from anything useful) - The price of gas isn't hurting my budget, it could be 10$/gallon and I'm still buying and uncle sam is still paying me back every dollar for it - but for THAT guy, it means more work hours, less time with his family and possibly in extreme situations loss of homes, inability to pay other bills...
-Z