200s off road pics

[LandCruisers4Life]

Atticus, you are just one of those kind of people that even when shown proof, you don't believe.

If I were standing outside and saw a UFO 100 feet in front of me, and pointed it out to you, you would look at it and still claim it's not a UFO, or worse, it didn't exist.

The FJC shares a modified Land Cruiser Prado foundation, and is a style of Land Cruiser, regardless of what you believe.

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by LandCruisers4Life

Well according to the people who build the FJ Cruiser -TOYOTA, it IS. As you can see from the official Toyota website, the FJ Cruiser sits right there beside the 100 in the Land Cruiser introductory timeline.

Clever marketing. It's made them millions.

The deal is that they make an FJ Cruiser and a Land Cruiser. I own a Land Cruiser. FJ Cruiser owners own an FJ Cruiser. They could have bought a Land Cruiser, but they did not.

Toyota markets other platforms in other countries differently. They do this to sell trucks. (Prado) The Prado is just that, a Prado. If the people in those country wanted a Land Cruiser they could have bought one too, BUT they bought a Prado.

To consider an FJC a "Land Cruiser", one discounts the fact that the FJC platform is much lighter-duty compared to ALL past true LC that it discredits the LC platform/series.

I can see the attraction of FJC owners "convincing themselves" that they own a true LC, however they live in denial. They own an FJC.

[LandCruisers4Life]

You're an elitist John.... no doubt about it !

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by LandCruisers4Life

You're an elitist John.... no doubt about it !

No....that's the 80-owners who don't have 100's or don't wheel their 100's.

[LandCruisers4Life]

I'll take a double shot triple decker machiato with a twist..... Oh wait.... not at Starbucks till 8pm this evening....

[ShottsUZJ100]

SCREEEEEEEEEEEECHHHHHH! OK, I'm back to topic.

I look forward to a few sneak-pics from Scott on his Sedona trip in the 200. Sedona was the place we went to 24/7 when I was learning my 100. The trails are quite different now, especially Broken Arrow. The Arrow used to be tough in places. Now, an Escalade can run it.

Any sneaky sneak pics Mr. B? Did Stephanie get to drive it?

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by LandCruisers4Life

Atticus, you are just one of those kind of people that even when shown proof, you don't believe.

If I were standing outside and saw a UFO 100 feet in front of me, and pointed it out to you, you would look at it and still claim it's not a UFO, or worse, it didn't exist.

The FJC shares a modified Land Cruiser Prado foundation, and is a style of Land Cruiser, regardless of what you believe.

You've shown me no proof, and your argument relies on assumptions.

The only proof I will need is to see Toyota put the words "Land Cruiser" on a FJ Cruiser. Then it will be a Land Cruiser. Like I said, I don't care if it's really a Corrolla. I'm also not trying to denigrate the FJ Cruiser. I think they're really cute.

[chimyz]

Where is this thread going????

I thought this was off road pics of 200 series Land Cruisers???? We should have this killed now, and start another usefull thread showing pics of off roading.

[chimyz]

2 pages of debate over what is a LC and what isn't belongs elsewhere.

[bulldog-yota]

Originally Posted by Atticus

If it were a Land Cruiser, it would be called a Land Cruiser. For example, regardless of what I might think, the 200 is a Land Cruiser, because that is what Toyota named it.

The FJ Cruiser is not called a Land Cruiser. It is not called a FJ Land Cruiser, or a Land Cruiser Sport, or a Land Cruiser Mini, or a Land Cruiser Junior, or a Land Cruiser Elite, or a Land Cruiser Short, or a Land Cruiser Basic, or a Land Cruiser 2, or anything like that.

Therefore, it is NOT a Land Cruiser.

QED

And, just so you'll know, in my family I have had a 55 series, an 80 series and a 100 series. I currently own only the 80 series. They are all Land Cruisers, because that is what Toyota calls them. Toyota could call a Corolla a Land Cruiser, and it would be a Land Cruiser. Wanting something very, very badly doesn't make it so.

I never said the the FJ is a Land Cruiser, I said it was build on a Land Cruiser platform. So stop putting words in my mouth

Originally Posted by Atticus

Oh and FYI back: I'm not "comparing" anything. Don't put words in my mouth. Thanks.

I never said YOU are making comparisons. I said some people fall into the trap of doing that.

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

Clever marketing. It's made them millions.

The deal is that they make an FJ Cruiser and a Land Cruiser. I own a Land Cruiser. FJ Cruiser owners own an FJ Cruiser. They could have bought a Land Cruiser, but they did not.

Toyota markets other platforms in other countries differently. They do this to sell trucks. (Prado) The Prado is just that, a Prado. If the people in those country wanted a Land Cruiser they could have bought one too, BUT they bought a Prado.

To consider an FJC a "Land Cruiser", one discounts the fact that the FJC platform is much lighter-duty compared to ALL past true LC that it discredits the LC platform/series.

I can see the attraction of FJC owners "convincing themselves" that they own a true LC, however they live in denial. They own an FJC.

Actually the Prado is a Land Cruiser as Toyota says so, in actual fact in some countries like the UK the Prado is called the Land Cruiser and the 100/200 named Land Cruiser V8 or Land Cruiser Amazon. In Oz and South Africa the Prado is called the Land Cruiser Prado. Toyota specifically lists the Prado under it's Land Cruiser portfolio, not just marketing, but manufacturing and sales as well. Calling the Prado not a true Land Cruiser would constitute the 80/100/200 not being true Land Cruisers either

Last time everyone was in unison that the definition of a Land Cruiser was when Toyota calls it a Land Cruiser.

The FJC is build on the Land Cruiser Prado platform, but is not called a Land Cruiser just FJ Cruiser.

And BTW I'm not sure where you come up with the platform being much lighter duty than a 100 as an example. Care to list the specific details and reliability record to clearly articulate that?

Originally Posted by chimyz

2 pages of debate over what is a LC and what isn't belongs elsewhere.

You are 100% correct, maybe the mods can move it to a different thread and everyone can get back on topic with 200 offroad pix.

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by bulldog-yota

And BTW I'm not sure where you come up with the platform being much lighter duty than a 100 as an example. Care to list the specific details and reliability record to clearly articulate that?

Oh dear Lord.

[hoser]

Yes, the Land Cruiser Prado is part of the Land Cruiser family, albeit, the "light duty" line as classified by Toyota.

TOYOTA LAND CRUISER Data Library

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by hoser

Yes, the Land Cruiser Prado is part of the Land Cruiser family, albeit, the "light duty" line as classified by Toyota.

TOYOTA LAND CRUISER Data Library

But...

but...


where is the FJ Cruiser?

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by hoser

Yes, the Land Cruiser Prado is part of the Land Cruiser family, albeit, the "light duty" line as classified by Toyota.

TOYOTA LAND CRUISER Data Library

[FirstToy]

This is the most clear explaination of LC history that I have come across (it is an older page, 2003 vintage, so keep that in mind)
I like it because you can clearly see from the family tree- how the models are related and developed.

*forgot to add the link! here it is
Toyota Land Cruiser History

As bulldog-yota said, the LC Prado is simply called Land Cruiser in europe.



the 70-series wagon underwent a complete makeover in April 1990. In addition to the original 2-door, a 4-door semi-long model was introduced. Its name was changed to the Prado, and with other design changes it took on its own identity, making the transition to a passenger vehicle.


With a full model change in May of 1996, the Prado embarked on a new and independent path. This 2nd generation design was aimed at creating a car that retained its 4WD character while looking at home on city streets. It reflected Mr. Yoshii's experience while doing development work on another Toyota vehicle, the Carib. Then a Land Cruiser was used as a support car during snow testing. The heavy Land Cruiser often got stuck, while the Carib was "light enough to run circles around it," as Mr. Yohii puts it. Although he had no idea that one day he would be put in cha rge of Land Cruiser development, that experience helped him create the lighter, more car-like characteristics that made the 70-series such a success.

Toyota Press Release
Corporate Archive: TOYOTA LAND CRUISER TIMELINE

1935 – Toyoda initiates manufacturer of trucks with the G1
1937 – Toyota Motor Co. founded from its roots in Toyoda Automatic Loom Works
1939 – G1 becomes the GB, with 75-hp Type B engine
1950 – Development begins on 4x4 AK10 utility vehicle using the Type B engine
1951 – BJ sold to Japan’s National Police Agency
1953 – Large-scale BJ production begins
1954 – BJ named Land Cruiser
1955 – F-Series 3.8L Six adopted, FJ25 introduced
1955 – BJ discontinued
1958 – Land Cruiser introduced to the U.S. in September
1960 – 40 Series introduced, replaces 20 Series
1961-1965 – Land Cruiser 40 Series is the best-selling Toyota in the U.S.
1967 – 55 Series station wagon introduced
1968 – 100,000th Land Cruiser sold
1972 – 200,000th Land Cruiser sold
1973 – 300,000th Land Cruiser sold
1975 – 4.2L engine, four-speed transmission introduced
1979 – 55 Series production ends
1980 – 60 Series, second-generation wagon, introduced
1980 – Millionth Land Cruiser sold
1983 – Final year of 40 Series sales in the U.S.
1984 – 40 Series production ends
1984 – 70 Series introduced
1989 – 60 Series production ends
1990 – 2-millionth Land Cruiser sold
1990 – 80 Series, third-generation wagon, introduced
1991 – Full-time four-wheel drive introduced
1993 – 4.5L DOHC six-cylinder engine introduced
1993 – 90 Series introduced
1997 – 80 Series production ends
1998 – 100 Series, fourth-generation wagon, introduced
1998 – 4.7L i-Force V8 introduced
2002 – 120 Series (current Prado, Lexus GX 470) introduced
2003 – 4-millionth Land Cruiser sold
2007 – FJ Cruiser introduced

[hoser]

You think they would have sold as many FJ Cruisers if they had called it a BJ Cruiser?

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by hoser

You think they would have sold as many FJ Cruisers if they had called it a BJ Cruiser?

Same with the Prado?

[bulldog-yota]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

Oh dear Lord.

Still waiting for the details as to what you describe as MUCH lighter duty.

Originally Posted by hoser

Yes, the Land Cruiser Prado is part of the Land Cruiser family, albeit, the "light duty" line as classified by Toyota.

TOYOTA LAND CRUISER Data Library

Thx, had that link and soem other intersting info at one time. Like sales info.

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

Still waiting for the tech details, as to what is MUCH ligther duty. I think I know the tech detail much better than you, but please do educate me with specific technical info.

And BTW the wagons are not described as the Heavy Duty. Heavy Duty, Wagins, Light Duty. So the wagons are not Heavy Duty then.

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by bulldog-yota

Still waiting for the details as to what you describe as MUCH lighter duty.



Thx, had that link and soem other intersting info at one time. Like sales info.



Still waiting for the tech details, as to what is MUCH ligther duty. I think I know the tech detail much better than you, but please do educate me with specific technical info.

And BTW the wagons are not described as the Heavy Duty. Heavy Duty, Wagins, Light Duty. So the wagons are not Heavy Duty then.

Not worth my time. There's not a single knowledgeable person here who doesn't know the build quality of the 100 vs the 4R/GX/FJC. Give me a break. I will not bother with this. Think what YOU like and ignore my comments if it makes you feel better. Thanks.

[FirstToy]

LOL, i'm impressed Andries. 1 post reply to make Shittz go away

[bulldog-yota]

Originally Posted by FirstToy

LOL, i'm impressed Andries. 1 post reply to make Shittz go away

It is easy just ask for technical detail and specific information, then he has to keep quiet to prevent embarrassing himself even more

If Toyota listened to the folks on Mud they will never release a new model in the US again, as most folks seemingly just like to bash any new model they don't own. Yet the FJC is probably the most successful offroad vehicle Toyota has ever released in the US, given the sales in the first 2 years, the large aftermarket and basically cult support status it has already achieved. AFAIK the aftermarket for the FJC has surpassed any other US model ever launched and it has only been out 2 years. The FJCs probably have covered more and harder trails than any other model since it's initial release as well. Hopefully the 200 can achieve similar results even if it is just on a smaller scale.

Anyway enough said about this blah blah, this thread is about the 200 and offroad pix of it. Maybe a mod can clean up this thread as it is so far off topic it looks like it is on topic actually.

[twstrchasr]

Originally Posted by FirstToy

LOL, i'm impressed Andries. 1 post reply to make Shittz go away

Why do you feel the need to turn John's last name into a "curse" word. This cursing of yours needs to be brought to the attention of the moderators. There is no place for that kind of misconduct here !!

[LandCruisers4Life]

I had a FJC, and I think it performed great off road. I think it is a bit lighter duty in build, but it is a good bit smaller as well. I think the FJC is a lot lighter in weight (it feels like it) than the 100 too.

These are just my opinions however. Properly built, like a properly built 100, you can go just about anywhere in a FJ Cruiser. All vehicles have SOME faults, but luckily we live in a great country where we can solve those factory design flaws, and rebuild them into the true trail machines we love.

That's about all I have to say on that