200 series vs Sequioa Platinum

[Jim_Chow]

Originally Posted by twstrchasr

Haven't we had this discussion before ? Let me repeat, until Toyota places an L between the J & C it's not "officially" a Land Cruiser, no matter what you try to convince yourself of. Just because someone in the mkt dept wants to have a play on words to try and convince you that the FJC is somehow related to the LC doesn't necessarily mean it's so. I gues "technically" , under those pretences the 4runner AND GX are LC's as well ? I think we are preaching to the choir, on this one !! So then, where does the PT Cruiser fit in all of this ??

Not only that, but the prefix "FJ" or "FZJ" or "UZJ" denotes the engine in the vehicle. So the FJC should be something like the GRJ-12x if it were a 120-series landcruiser. Just tells ya how much marketers know about LC history.

[socalsuv]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

Or better yet........

Hummer H3 Alpha
Land Rover LR3

Maybe you meant the LR2. The LR3 is definitely not smaller. I have one sitting in my driveway that I've been trying to sell since 9/07. It has more practical cargo room than my 100. Stock, it is probably just as capable off road since it has lockers all around. BUT.....will it last as long? No way. Is it engineered as robustly, not even close. I'm in for the long haul......thats why I'm trying to get out from underneath that heap.

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by socalsuv

Maybe you meant the LR2. The LR3 is definitely not smaller. I have one sitting in my driveway that I've been trying to sell since 9/07. It has more practical cargo room than my 100. Stock, it is probably just as capable off road since it has lockers all around. BUT.....will it last as long? No way. Is it engineered as robustly, not even close. I'm in for the long haul......thats why I'm trying to get out from underneath that heap.

You have an LR3 with locking differentials all around?

[socalsuv]

Well....to be clear, center and rear. The rear locker was part of an optional Heavy Duty package.

I'm no hardcore off-roader by any stretch of the imagination, but I was able to go up and down this in Sedona very easily. LR3 is 100% stock with cr@p tires.
I'm sure this is baby-grade stuff, but to me it was pretty cool.
The pic doesn't do the angle any justice.

[SWUtah]

Originally Posted by socalsuv

Well....to be clear, center and rear. The rear locker was part of an optional Heavy Duty package.

I'm no hardcore off-raoder by any stretch of the imagination, but I was able to go up and down this in Sedona very easily. LR3 is 100% stock with cr@p tires.
I'm sure this is baby-grade stuff, but to me it was pretty cool.
The pic doesn't do the angle any justice.

If it did not rattle after that down hill then LR is building a lot better product then they use to build.

[dtt255]

Very nice pic! Looks like fun.

I have been driving my friends 2008 Sequoia for the past 2 days. Very nice vehicle, but here are my observations.

It seems VERY large. While driving it, it feels like my 2007 Yukon Denali XL. Just very long,big and wide. I am not sure of it's actual dimensions, but that is the way it feels.

It seems to sway more then my LC. Not as tight on turns etc.

I have a hard time seeing everything out the windshield and side windows. Don't know why...just a weird feeling.

Obviously I am biased, but I like driving it for a family vehicle. But with my very limited off road experiance, I would have a hard time navigating it off road. It seems to hide it's size from the inside view and therefore I would
have a hard time judging angles from inside.

Plus sitting in the drivers seat, it just feels HUGE inside. I feel like I am drowning in the front area.

I will stick with my LC

[pagemaster]

I will stick with my LC

How many milles do you have on the LC now?

[dtt255]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

How many milles do you have on the LC now?

about 10,200k.

[alaskacruiser]

Originally Posted by dtt255

about 10,200k.

dtt255- 10,200,000 miles? Wow! You must spend all your time in your 200!

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by alaskacruiser

dtt255- 10,200,000 miles? Wow! You must spend all your time in your 200!

The newer the Series the longer they last!

[dtt255]

Originally Posted by alaskacruiser

dtt255- 10,200,000 miles? Wow! You must spend all your time in your 200!

What can I say

[dtt255]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

The newer the Series the longer they last!

From your lips to Toyota's ears

[Cruiserdrew]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

The newer the Series the longer they last!

Really? My FJ60 is still going strong at 220k and 24 years, and My FJ40 is going nicely at 37 years an unknown # of K. If what you say is true, the 200 should last like 200 years. Maybe that's how they pick the designations.

Shotts, do you seriously think your 100 will be tooling around in 25 years? If nothing else, the scarcity of fuel will will be the end of it, and all of these trucks. I for one, am quite curious to see how long the complex electronic computer controls will last. My guess is that all of the late model trucks starting with the 80 series will get rapidly to the point where the electronics can no longer be fixed. I do hope that Toyota has a nice stash of ECUs for the future.

[dtt255]

Originally Posted by Cruiserdrew

Really? My FJ60 is still going strong at 220k and 24 years, and My FJ40 is going nicely at 37 years an unknown # of K. If what you say is true, the 200 should last like 200 years. Maybe that's how they pick the designations.

Shotts, do you seriously think your 100 will be tooling around in 25 years? If nothing else, the scarcity of fuel will will be the end of it, and all of these trucks. I for one, am quite curious to see how long the complex electronic computer controls will last. My guess is that all of the late model trucks starting with the 80 series will get rapidly to the point where the electronics can no longer be fixed. I do hope that Toyota has a nice stash of ECUs for the future.

I cannot disagree with your statement about the electronics of the vehicle. It is a something to think about.

About shotts....It just amazes me that EVERYTHING he says is always met with such distain that it ruins the threads. It is not his comments that ruin the threads...but people always just attacking him for things he as said in past. I don't know his past, and I am not asking.

Is it possible to have a thread without all the insulting? I am just wondering......

[ShottsUZJ100]

I think it was obvious that my post was said in jest.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Cruiserdrew

Shotts, do you seriously think your 100 will be tooling around in 25 years? .

The 100 series should last a good 30 years if maintained properly. I have no doubt about that. I think you can now get a 100 series that is 10 years old.

[Crux]

Originally Posted by dtt255

Very nice pic! Looks like fun.

I have been driving my friends 2008 Sequoia for the past 2 days. Very nice vehicle, but here are my observations.

It seems VERY large. While driving it, it feels like my 2007 Yukon Denali XL. Just very long,big and wide. I am not sure of it's actual dimensions, but that is the way it feels.

It seems to sway more then my LC. Not as tight on turns etc.

I have a hard time seeing everything out the windshield and side windows. Don't know why...just a weird feeling.

Obviously I am biased, but I like driving it for a family vehicle. But with my very limited off road experiance, I would have a hard time navigating it off road. It seems to hide it's size from the inside view and therefore I would
have a hard time judging angles from inside.

Plus sitting in the drivers seat, it just feels HUGE inside. I feel like I am drowning in the front area.

I will stick with my LC

Thanks for the feedback on the Sequoia (which is what this thread is supposed to be about).
I really like the new LC, but I have to justify the huge cost difference.
Both can be people movers with 3 rows of seating if need be, same engine, etc.
Is long term reliability and better off-road ability worth 20-30k more? Hmmm...

[dclee]

Originally Posted by Crux

Thanks for the feedback on the Sequoia (which is what this thread is supposed to be about).
I really like the new LC, but I have to justify the huge cost difference.
Both can be people movers with 3 rows of seating if need be, same engine, etc.
Is long term reliability and better off-road ability worth 20-30k more? Hmmm...

Worth more to some, not to others. It all depends on your own personal priorities. If you don't have any long-term ownership plans, and the truck meets your functional needs, and you just don't have an irrational itching for that legendary "Land Cruiser" script on your tailgate, then get the Sequoia. If you are in the other camp, then get the Cruiser with no guilt. FWIW, Land Cruisers are passed on to family members in wills. Sequoias... aren't.

[cruiserdan]

Originally Posted by dclee

FWIW, Land Cruisers are passed on to family members in wills. Sequoias... aren't.

That sums it up nicely.

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by Crux

Is long term reliability and better off-road ability worth 20-30k more? Hmmm...

For most US buyers? No way. That's the main reason the Seq outsells the LC by a huge margin. The Seq does the intended job superbly, it's larger, has a much better 3rd seat, in the end it's a better DD-people mover than the LC.

At the same time you do pick up more for your 20-30K than just reliability and off-road capability if you opt for the LC.

Do keep in mind that unlike the last Seq, Toyota is stating right out of the box that the new Seq is not meant for trails and off-roading. If you think you may want to do some of that make sure you consider it it up front. Otherwise you'll be imited to the typical car-quality dirt roads.

[dtt255]

Originally Posted by dclee

Worth more to some, not to others. It all depends on your own personal priorities. If you don't have any long-term ownership plans, and the truck meets your functional needs, and you just don't have an irrational itching for that legendary "Land Cruiser" script on your tailgate, then get the Sequoia. If you are in the other camp, then get the Cruiser with no guilt. FWIW, Land Cruisers are passed on to family members in wills. Sequoias... aren't.

Originally Posted by cruiserdan

Nicely put....

That sums it up nicely.

Oh yes....that is VERY nicely put.

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

For most US buyers? No way. That's the main reason the Seq outsells the LC by a huge margin. The Seq does the intended job superbly, it's larger, has a much better 3rd seat, in the end it's a better DD-people mover than the LC.

At the same time you do pick up more for your 20-30K than just reliability and off-road capability if you opt for the LC.

Do keep in mind that unlike the last Seq, Toyota is stating right out of the box that the new Seq is not meant for trails and off-roading. If you think you may want to do some of that make sure you consider it it up front. Otherwise you'll be imited to the typical car-quality dirt roads.

The other reason for the popularity of the Sequoia in the US is that it is marketed. Not that it is marketed well or poorly, just that it is. I have never seen an LC commercial on TV.

I would imagine that the opposite s true around the rest of the world.

[dclee]

Originally Posted by dtt255

The other reason for the popularity of the Sequoia in the US is that it is marketed. Not that it is marketed well or poorly, just that it is. I have never seen an LC commercial on TV.

I would imagine that the opposite s true around the rest of the world.

Or print media ads, either. But I open some older issues of Australian 4WD Monthly and I see 100 Series ads all over the place!

[twstrchasr]

Originally Posted by dclee

Or print media ads, either. But I open some older issues of Australian 4WD Monthly and I see 100 Series ads all over the place!

As far as advertising for the LC in the US goes I can't remember ever seeing TV or print ads for it..But that doesn't mean they do not exist. I'm not too sure the reasoning for this. The "word of mouth" advertising the LC gets can just go so far as can its world wide reputation. Maybe Toyota doesn't want to sell any more than they do ? OTOH, has Lexus ever done any ads for the LX ?? We can't forget to add the LX sales into the equation. They count too . Don't they ?

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[agomez]

I've seen a pt cruiser convertable....

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by agomez

I've seen a pt cruiser convertable....

Ya, that's a car.
The non-convertable is an SUV.

FRIGGIN' CAFE REDICULOUS RULES. WHAT A JOKE!