Diesel Land Cruiser for 2010?

[slowride]

Hello All,

Long time lurker, 1st post so be kind,

On 1-13-2008 Katsuaki Watanabe President of Toyota Motor Corp announced a clean V-8 diesel for the Tundra and Sequoia by model year 2010.

Since the Land Cruiser gladly uses the same 5.7 litre petrol V-8, clearly there's room for the new clean V-8 diesel to fit under the hood.

I'm planning on giong to the NAIAS on Thursday (1-24-08) and will
ask the Toyota reps if there are any such plans.

I don't have a cruiser at the the present time... I was waiting for the new 2008 model and am quite saddened by its looks.

My wife and son hate the looks of the new cruiser, but like the
LX 570?... I've sat in both and given them a close look over, but have yet to test drive either.

My Lexus dealer had one 570 that was pre-sold and the owner let it sit on the showroom floor for about a week as a favor to the dealership. They expect another 570 at the end of the month which the dealership will keep as a demo... I'll drive that one!

I think if Toyota places a diesel in the cruiser the price would be about the same as the LX 570...I love the idea of a diesel cruiser
regardless of looks...I do NOT think its that bad looking, but I was hoping for a lot more style.

Thanks for listening,

Jeff

[twstrchasr]

I for one would, in all likeliness buy a 200 LC if / when they do decide to bring the diesel to the US mkt (unless the put the oil burner in the Sequoia first) . Most likely they will, it just depends on how the fickle US market will receive a luxury SUV diesel. I would be more than happy to test market one for them, if need be !!

[007-FJC]

mmmmmm Diesel

[boobook]

The diesel is very sweet, extremely quiet and tons of torque. When you put the foot down all you hear is a nice v8 growl. It's got twin turbos and a huge intercooler.

0- 60mph is 8.6 seconds, standing quarter mile is 16.1. Not sure how this compares to the 5.7l but the 4.7 Petrol in the same config gets:-
0- 60mph in 9.5 seconds and standing quarter in 16.8.

Driving along there is not a hint of diesel rattle or noise, smoke etc. Most people don't even know it is a diesel when standing next to it at idle unless you open the hood.

Also gets 22.4 mpg on a combined urban/hwy cycle as defined by Aust gov method. For comparison the equivelent thing for the 4.7 petrol is 15.6 mpg. No 5.7l here yet I am afraid.

[slowride]

BUMMER,

I will not be going to the NAIAS this year .

Maybe some else can ask about a possible diesel cruiser.

sorry,

Jeff

[Grolar]

I was in SEMA last November and had the opportunity to talk with the head of Toyota's marketing department for SUVs in North America and he wasn't very talkative about offering diesel SUVs to the US market. I asked him specifically about the Cruiser and he wouldn't elaborate.
Granted, this was three months ago and they're already popping the Sequoia. IMHO, this will happen one day or another, but Toyota will rather see how other makes fare in this segment before they take the plunge. And don't forget that the US now have the world's most stringent emission regulations for Diesels, and even a very diesel-experienced carmaker like VW finds it very difficult to have its next Jetta TDI 50-state compliant.

[Grolar]

Originally Posted by twstrchasr

I for one would, in all likeliness buy a 200 LC if / when they do decide to bring the diesel to the US mkt (unless the put the oil burner in the Sequoia first) . Most likely they will, it just depends on how the fickle US market will receive a luxury SUV diesel. I would be more than happy to test market one for them, if need be !!

Mindsets change fast. Who would have thought 20 years ago that Diesel Beemers would match the Gasser's overall performance with roughly the same displacement?

[PROFINITY]

I am new the forum (first post) and would like to say hello and add that I have been wanting a diesel LC for a long time now. If they build one I'm in. I have an LC and a TRD FJ.

[dclee]

Originally Posted by PROFINITY

I am new the forum (first post) and would like to say hello and add that I have been wanting a diesel LC for a long time now. If they build one I'm in. I have an LC and a TRD FJ.

Hehe, they build them, we just can't get them here!

But I know what you mean.

[chimyz]

Originally Posted by Grolar

I was in SEMA last November and had the opportunity to talk with the head of Toyota's marketing department for SUVs in North America and he wasn't very talkative about offering diesel SUVs to the US market. I asked him specifically about the Cruiser and he wouldn't elaborate.
Granted, this was three months ago and they're already popping the Sequoia. IMHO, this will happen one day or another, but Toyota will rather see how other makes fare in this segment before they take the plunge. And don't forget that the US now have the world's most stringent emission regulations for Diesels, and even a very diesel-experienced carmaker like VW finds it very difficult to have its next Jetta TDI 50-state compliant.

I was talking to the same guy about the Tundra Diesel they had there...he seemed to think they were miles away from having an engine ready for the U.S. market, and it was just an experiment Truck to show off at Sema.
I think 2010 is too close for any diesel engine from Toyota for the U.S. market. The point about VW is so true too.

[Jimayala1962]

I have a LC200 turbo-diesel 4.6liter, V8 here in the Philippines. Acceleration is outstanding (it compares with my 530D BMW!). Mileage is also excellet - equivalent to about 23mpg. On actual driving conditions, it consumes less than HALF the gas that my Ford Expedition XLT consumes.
Definitely worth getting over the regular petrol model.

[MLX450]

Jimayala1962 ........... Post some pics of that twin turbo beast will ya? Tease us....

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by Jimayala1962

I have a LC200 turbo-diesel 4.6liter, V8 here in the Philippines. Acceleration is outstanding (it compares with my 530D BMW!). Mileage is also excellet - equivalent to about 23mpg. On actual driving conditions, it consumes less than HALF the gas that my Ford Expedition XLT consumes.
Definitely worth getting over the regular petrol model.

What sort of MPG (let us know english or us gallons) does it get on an open road trip?
The old 100 diesel would do best of about 9km/l in that situation.

[Dandon]

[SwissEd]

I own a 97 gas LC (about 17 L/ 100k) and also a 2006 LC Turbo Diesel. The '06 does 10- 11L/ 100km and is ever so sweet. You can drive it all day at 90mph (150 kpm) and is just purs!

The V8 diesel is to compete with Audi V8 diesel, Merc V8 diesel which are proving every popular.

I would never buy another gas LC one if I had the choice (new one that is). Once you try the turbo diesel you are spoiled for life!

Hope it gets to the US soon!
Ed

[Tapage]

I thought Toyota " needs " the get in the Diesel US market .. soon or later ..

Here the pics ..











Offcourse are from a brand new 200 series V8 Twin Turbo diesel here in Panamá ..

[twstrchasr]

Why, oh why can't we have the diesels here in the USA ????

[FirstToy]

AutoblogGreen has reason to be happy, having found evidence that Toyota's recent purchase of a 5.9% stake in Isuzu will bear fruit in 2010 when the Japanese juggernaut marries its Synergy hybrid drive system with a diesel engine. Presumably such a hook up was made possible, or at least hastened, by the expertise in diesels that Isuzu brings to the table. Toyota knows its way around an oil burner too, but its Hino commercial truck division usually deals with diesels meant for trucks and buses.

Heck, even we have to admit that we're excited for such a combo, as diesel engines excel in efficiency when cruising at highway speeds, much more so than a gasoline engine, which to this point has always been the electric motor's dance partner in modern hybrids. JapanToday is reporting that a Toyota subcompact with this diesel hybrid drivetrain will be available as soon as 2010. Assuming we're not all driving EVs by then, such a car should easily grab the mpg crown in the U.S.
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In other parts of the world, Toyota sells their big Land Cruiser SUV with an optional diesel engine. In the latest redesign that debuted in 2007, the diesel is an all-new 4.5L V-8 engine that replaced a long-running inline six cylinder diesel. Recently, German magazine Auto Motor und Sport put the new Land Cruiser diesel through its paces and it apparently didn't fare too well. While the interior panel fits left much to be desired, the real problem was the mechanical performance. The 286hp diesel engine, which would be expected to yield some improved fuel economy for the 5,800lb truck, was unable to match the rated 23 mpg (U.S.) numbers and only managed to eke out 15.3 miles from each U.S.-size gallon of diesel. Since the full article doesn't appear to be online at the moment, it's hard to know what kind of driving they did or whether this is consistent with the way Auto Motor und Sport does their testing. It's certainly possible they were particularly hard on the go pedal. Hopefully that is the case because that same engine is expected to be the one that Toyota installs in the U.S. Tundra and Sequioa in 2010. Another troubling result was the braking performance. With cold brakes the Land Cruiser took 144ft to halt from 62mph. Among modern vehicles that a mediocre result with most vehicles these days getting closer to 130ft or less. When the brakes warmed up things got really scary as the stopping distance climbed to 184ft. If you're driving one of these you might want to pay close attention and anticipate when you need to slow down.
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[FirstToy]

VW Golf diesel-hybrid on the way
Honda Accord diesel on the way
Subaru Legacy diesel (all aluminum boxer engine) on the way... hopefully


There might be some practical issues that make current Toyota diesels unworkable for the USA, where they need to develop new diesel motors for our market.
I feel strongly that it will be coming soon though.

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Toyota Tundra Diesel CONFIRMED

Pending Written on Jan-14-08 12:11pm - Not yet published to a wikizine
From: Toyota Tundra Reviews, Toyota Tundra Accessories, and Tundra Information
Boy, do we like it when we’re right…here’s the Reuter’s press release trimmed-down to the important facts:

Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe said on Sunday the Japanese automaker will launch a diesel-powered Tundra pickup truck and Sequoia SUV in the United States…Toyota has repeatedly hesitated to committing a diesel vehicle for the U.S. market…especially for use in larger vehicles.

“I am happy to confirm that a new clean-diesel V8 engine will be offered in both the Tundra and the Sequoia in the near future,” Watanabe told a news conference at the North American International Auto Show.

The “near future” is likely to be next year…we think the Diesel Tundra will debut in late 2009 as a 2010 model. Toyota usually doesn’t disclose information like this unless they’re more than halfway to production. Most industry experts agree that 3 years are needed to develop and produce a new power train, so we’re reasonably sure the 2010 model will have a diesel. That will coincide with an F150 diesel launch scheduled for the same year.

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by FirstToy

AutoblogGreen has reason to be happy, having found evidence that Toyota's recent purchase of a 5.9% stake in Isuzu will bear fruit in 2010 when the Japanese juggernaut marries its Synergy hybrid drive system with a diesel engine. Presumably such a hook up was made possible, or at least hastened, by the expertise in diesels that Isuzu brings to the table. Toyota knows its way around an oil burner too, but its Hino commercial truck division usually deals with diesels meant for trucks and buses.

Heck, even we have to admit that we're excited for such a combo, as diesel engines excel in efficiency when cruising at highway speeds, much more so than a gasoline engine, which to this point has always been the electric motor's dance partner in modern hybrids. JapanToday is reporting that a Toyota subcompact with this diesel hybrid drivetrain will be available as soon as 2010. Assuming we're not all driving EVs by then, such a car should easily grab the mpg crown in the U.S.
__________________________________________________ ______

In other parts of the world, Toyota sells their big Land Cruiser SUV with an optional diesel engine. In the latest redesign that debuted in 2007, the diesel is an all-new 4.5L V-8 engine that replaced a long-running inline six cylinder diesel. Recently, German magazine Auto Motor und Sport put the new Land Cruiser diesel through its paces and it apparently didn't fare too well. While the interior panel fits left much to be desired, the real problem was the mechanical performance. The 286hp diesel engine, which would be expected to yield some improved fuel economy for the 5,800lb truck, was unable to match the rated 23 mpg (U.S.) numbers and only managed to eke out 15.3 miles from each U.S.-size gallon of diesel. Since the full article doesn't appear to be online at the moment, it's hard to know what kind of driving they did or whether this is consistent with the way Auto Motor und Sport does their testing. It's certainly possible they were particularly hard on the go pedal. Hopefully that is the case because that same engine is expected to be the one that Toyota installs in the U.S. Tundra and Sequioa in 2010. Another troubling result was the braking performance. With cold brakes the Land Cruiser took 144ft to halt from 62mph. Among modern vehicles that a mediocre result with most vehicles these days getting closer to 130ft or less. When the brakes warmed up things got really scary as the stopping distance climbed to 184ft. If you're driving one of these you might want to pay close attention and anticipate when you need to slow
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There have been some Aussie reports that were scathing of the fuel economy too. But if you want to use 286hp like the testers are then you end up burning 286hp worth of diesel.

Brakes didn't feel poor on the one I drove. 43m (144ft) is only 13m more than the hardest stopping cars acheive and kind of expected in a 4wd that weighs twice as much.

[Tapage]

What's the real deal with the mpg .. with the V8 engine .. I'm pretty sure that the most posible buyers of this V8 Twin Turbo Diesel are not really worried about the Diesel comsumtion. Actually my 1HD-T six in line turbo diesel could giveme 14mpg ..

[FirstToy]

PickupTruck.Com: Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe Says No Hybrid Diesel Powertrain for Tundra Pickup

it sounds like the diesel Tundra/Sequoia will be very, very expensive... more than the usual difference overseas.

[Dougal]

Originally Posted by FirstToy

PickupTruck.Com: Toyota President Katsuaki Watanabe Says No Hybrid Diesel Powertrain for Tundra Pickup

it sounds like the diesel Tundra/Sequoia will be very, very expensive... more than the usual difference overseas.

I can understand why they're not willing to combine diesel and hybrid in a pickup truck.
But for a diesel pickup they probably still don't have the engine ready. The 4.5 V8 diesel in the current landcruiser is two car engines (see toyota avensis diesel) moulded together. They'll need something more abuse resistant to go head to head with cummins and co.

[Tapage]

Originally Posted by Dougal

They'll need something more abuse resistant to go head to head with cummins and co.

ditto !

Something that don't need to run higly turbo streesed all the way .. some engine that can handle 1 ton pick up towing and last at lease 300k miles .. before overhaul.

[D.D.]

Just got mine!

Fully equipped 2008 LC200 VDJ200L. 4500 cc twin turbo V8 diesel engine rated at 300HP. This is a very quick monster. Impressive handling and very quiet.

I wonder why they don't introduce this car in the US!