[ginericLC]

I'm having a hard time following what you say as I don't completely understand who you are upset with.

I've had really good luck with Blue Ribbon Coalition. When I've chatted with them about issues I see happening they've steered me to more resources. However, they like any other organization can only go so far. They can't know what is going on in all 50 states unless we tell them about problems we have.

I've had not such good luck with the local 4wd association. They have a good idea of what they should be doing but I'm disappointed in what they have actually done.

Local motorcycle groups are definitely only looking out for themselves. Some of them have even illegally marked trails showing them closed to 4wd vehicles when they in fact are not. So as far as counting on them as allies in the fight to keep lands open to the public they aren't the best assett in my opinon. My experiences are on a local level though, I know other have had radically different experiences throughout the state. So you can't categorize folks even statewide or nationally really as the local folks are what make the impact.