Alternative Fuels

jhkilmer · 04-19-06, 07:53 PM

Sorry if this is a crazy question, but has anyone ever converted their 100 LC (or 80) to run on alternative fuels like Propane (LPG), CNG (compressed natural gas), etc? There might be a better place to post this thread, so I'm up for suggestions.
From a little research, it seems that there are several companies in europe, and the UK that have been doing these conversions for a few years now, but I haven't been able to find anything in the US. Thanks for any info!!

firetruck41 · 04-19-06, 08:05 PM

There is a UK member who has converted their 80 to LPG(?). I can't remember who, but I'm sure a search would turn it up. IIRC, it is economical there because of the price difference between petrol and LPG, but would not be as economical here in the US.

UltraFJ · 04-20-06, 07:04 AM

I dug this up from last year. Thought it might be good reading and worth considering.

UltraFJ · 04-20-06, 09:37 AM

Sorry, forgot to post the linky.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/58414-dual-fuel-setup-u-s.html

hoser · 06-21-06, 02:43 PM

Found some pictures of a dual fuel LPG/Petrol conversion to a 100 series. Is this economically feasible for Americans?

http://www.gascarco.com/gallery/album29?page=1

Alacrity · 06-21-06, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoser

Found some pictures of a dual fuel LPG/Petrol conversion to a 100 series. Is this economically feasible for Americans?

http://www.gascarco.com/gallery/album29?page=1

Its done alot in UK - more for tax reasons than economy. Petrol/diesel are taxed higly - LPG wasnt but thats changing- still in UK you were about a quarter ahead in cost per mile - but the conversion was about £1000-1500 In general you get 10-30% less economy. Lack of infrastructure in the US is the biggest hurdle. Not sure how you'd fill in the US - maybe theres LPG/CNG near you, maybe not

Good news is most conversions allow either use of Petrol or LPG. Good idae to run petrol every once and a while for gaskets/seals. Are there US distributers? Wondering about insurance as well. There were LPG converiosn done on school buses, or Propane maybe. Might start there.

NMuzj100 · 06-21-06, 03:41 PM

Here in the US LPG is not that much cheaper than gasoline per gallon. Each gallon has fewer BTUs so really very little advantage to it for as a motor fuel.

subspd · 06-23-06, 07:39 PM

What about that stuff called E38 or something like that it has a mix of gas with some corn byproduct.

NMuzj100 · 06-23-06, 09:58 PM

E85? 85% Ethanol and 15% Gas -

Trouble is it takes more energy (on average) to grow the corn for the ethanol than it produces in energy as a fuel. It's a perpetual motion machine that makes no economic sense without government subsidies.

Alacrity · 06-24-06, 05:45 AM

Great article on E85 in the latest Car and Driver - basically as NM notes with corn - although cellulosic production from switch grass and other feedstocks are much better. Still only half the efficiency of sugarcane - as Brazil uses. Succesful in Brazil becuase of this and because they use 10 billion barrels of oil (we use 140 for transporation) - this after 30 years of govt subsidies.

cruiserheadrat · 06-27-06, 08:53 AM

A few years back there was an article in Toyota Trails about a FJ40 running on propane.

zrheard · 06-08-08, 11:15 PM

I LOVE THAT REPLY!! i am a firm believer that e85 is the reason our economy is circling the $H!& bowl right now... but thats a different subject all together....

Topmounter · 06-08-08, 11:22 PM

I agree, quit blocking the import of sugarcane based Ethanol and stop propping up inefficient methods of production (e.g. corn).

lasalsa · 06-09-08, 06:42 AM

Here in Argentina, about 80% of all road vehicles are running CNG. (99.99% of Taxi's)

I'm doing some research about converting my '03-100 to be bi-fuel. ie.. CNG and Unleaded. There are about 15 different companies that have converted everything from BMW's, Chevy's, Ford trucks and of course Toyota's Hilux. Hopefully this week I'll be visiting a shop to see what kits and technologies are being used on Toyota's nowadays and then I'll post the results to you all.

I plan on doing my conversion while I'm here for the next 3 years. Placing the tanks in the place of the spare tire. More to follow on this subject.

If research works out well, we can all benefit from it!

Regards.

GRunner · 06-09-08, 12:49 PM

This information maybe useful:
LandCruiser 100
Series
GXL
2UZ-FE (4.7L V8)
Engine
(V8 Auto & Man.) TOY-LC100V8-W02
Apollogas Products
(03) 9761-7883
ApolloGas IM240 RTA NSW

LandCruiser 100
Series
GXL
2UZ-FE (4.7L V8)
Engine
(V8 Auto & Man.)
PSVI EG8 LANDV8
APPROVED FITMENT ONLY
Parnell LP Gas Systems
(03) 9315-1699
Parnell IM240 RTA NSW

LandCruiser 100
Series
GXL
2UZ-FE (4.7L V8)
Engine
(V8 Auto & Man.) KITLCV8
Victorian Autogas Supplies
(03) 9775-1900
Global Autogas Supplies IM240 RTA NSW

Please keep us informed.

OursSauvage · 06-09-08, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alacrity

.../... There were LPG converiosn done on school buses, or Propane maybe. Might start there.

Do UPS's small delivery trucks not using LPG or propane ?

04-19-06, 07:53 PM	#1
jhkilmer IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 36	Alternative Fuels Sorry if this is a crazy question, but has anyone ever converted their 100 LC (or 80) to run on alternative fuels like Propane (LPG), CNG (compressed natural gas), etc? There might be a better place to post this thread, so I'm up for suggestions. From a little research, it seems that there are several companies in europe, and the UK that have been doing these conversions for a few years now, but I haven't been able to find anything in the US. Thanks for any info!! __________________ 1999 Toyota Landcruiser (lightly Modified...so far) 2001 Subaru Outback VDC....great car

04-19-06, 08:05 PM	#2
firetruck41 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Camas, WA USA TLCA# 14300 Posts: 3,581	There is a UK member who has converted their 80 to LPG(?). I can't remember who, but I'm sure a search would turn it up. IIRC, it is economical there because of the price difference between petrol and LPG, but would not be as economical here in the US. __________________ Ben Silva IH8MUD Site Supporter since July 2004 1996 Lexus LX 450, 130k, locked, Cooper STT 285s, OME 850/863, CDL/Pin 7, 30qt freezer, 2@aux fuse blocks, aux powerpoint, 850w inverter 1998 Lexus LX 470, 139k Sold 1993 FZJ80 198k miles Sold

04-20-06, 07:04 AM	#3
UltraFJ 'Tard Police Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 26.7N/81.45W * 9.58N/84.2W * 15.88N/119.5E Posts: 470	I dug this up from last year. Thought it might be good reading and worth considering. __________________ 1971 40 2005 100 Selling the 2003 4Runner

04-20-06, 09:37 AM	#4
UltraFJ 'Tard Police Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 26.7N/81.45W * 9.58N/84.2W * 15.88N/119.5E Posts: 470	Sorry, forgot to post the linky. http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/58414-dual-fuel-setup-u-s.html __________________ 1971 40 2005 100 Selling the 2003 4Runner

06-21-06, 02:43 PM	#5
hoser IH8MUD No-Lifer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,802	Found some pictures of a dual fuel LPG/Petrol conversion to a 100 series. Is this economically feasible for Americans? http://www.gascarco.com/gallery/album29?page=1 __________________ 98 LX470 85 BJ70

06-21-06, 03:41 PM	#7
NMuzj100 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gleneagle, CO Posts: 1,884	Here in the US LPG is not that much cheaper than gasoline per gallon. Each gallon has fewer BTUs so really very little advantage to it for as a motor fuel. __________________ 1998 UZJ100 115K 285/75 Revos, D-light mod, DIY - Starter Contacts 1999 Toyota Camry - So Boring

06-23-06, 07:39 PM	#8
subspd IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 245	What about that stuff called E38 or something like that it has a mix of gas with some corn byproduct. __________________ • uzj100 • 1999 • locked and loaded • nav • not mall rated • mexico and belize rated •

06-23-06, 09:58 PM	#9
NMuzj100 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gleneagle, CO Posts: 1,884	E85? 85% Ethanol and 15% Gas - Trouble is it takes more energy (on average) to grow the corn for the ethanol than it produces in energy as a fuel. It's a perpetual motion machine that makes no economic sense without government subsidies. __________________ 1998 UZJ100 115K 285/75 Revos, D-light mod, DIY - Starter Contacts 1999 Toyota Camry - So Boring

06-24-06, 05:45 AM	#10
Alacrity IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 70	Great article on E85 in the latest Car and Driver - basically as NM notes with corn - although cellulosic production from switch grass and other feedstocks are much better. Still only half the efficiency of sugarcane - as Brazil uses. Succesful in Brazil becuase of this and because they use 10 billion barrels of oil (we use 140 for transporation) - this after 30 years of govt subsidies. __________________ Luck Alac Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

06-27-06, 08:53 AM	#11
cruiserheadrat IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Boston TLCA# 2780 Posts: 118	A few years back there was an article in Toyota Trails about a FJ40 running on propane.

06-08-08, 11:15 PM	#12
zrheard IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: cottondale alabama Posts: 37	I LOVE THAT REPLY!! i am a firm believer that e85 is the reason our economy is circling the $H!& bowl right now... but thats a different subject all together....

06-08-08, 11:22 PM	#13
Topmounter IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Golden, CO-USA Posts: 190	I agree, quit blocking the import of sugarcane based Ethanol and stop propping up inefficient methods of production (e.g. corn). __________________ -- '01 LC - Champagne Pearl '96 328is - Alpine White -- Dearly departed - '88 FJ-62

06-09-08, 06:42 AM	#14
lasalsa IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Overseas Posts: 53	Here in Argentina, about 80% of all road vehicles are running CNG. (99.99% of Taxi's) I'm doing some research about converting my '03-100 to be bi-fuel. ie.. CNG and Unleaded. There are about 15 different companies that have converted everything from BMW's, Chevy's, Ford trucks and of course Toyota's Hilux. Hopefully this week I'll be visiting a shop to see what kits and technologies are being used on Toyota's nowadays and then I'll post the results to you all. I plan on doing my conversion while I'm here for the next 3 years. Placing the tanks in the place of the spare tire. More to follow on this subject. If research works out well, we can all benefit from it! Regards. __________________ Richie - In an Embassy somewhere, and loving it - '03 - LC100 - Blue Mica '06 - Royal Enfield Bullet 350 w/ sidecar. and many other toys that are at my service.....

06-09-08, 12:49 PM	#15
GRunner IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 45	This information maybe useful: LandCruiser 100 Series GXL 2UZ-FE (4.7L V8) Engine (V8 Auto & Man.) TOY-LC100V8-W02 Apollogas Products (03) 9761-7883 ApolloGas IM240 RTA NSW LandCruiser 100 Series GXL 2UZ-FE (4.7L V8) Engine (V8 Auto & Man.) PSVI EG8 LANDV8 APPROVED FITMENT ONLY Parnell LP Gas Systems (03) 9315-1699 Parnell IM240 RTA NSW LandCruiser 100 Series GXL 2UZ-FE (4.7L V8) Engine (V8 Auto & Man.) KITLCV8 Victorian Autogas Supplies (03) 9775-1900 Global Autogas Supplies IM240 RTA NSW Please keep us informed. __________________ ----------------- 2003 Lexus LX470 Sand Dollar - Night Vision, DVD, ML, Nav San Francisco, CA Last edited by GRunner; 06-09-08 at 01:08 PM.

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