[LandCruiserPhil]

Originally Posted by NMuzj100

Might as well get a prius.

Who has a kit for the 100 ?

Wagoneer5 runs the Slee 2wd kit on his '07

[LandCruiserPhil]

Originally Posted by Trunk Monkey

For the OP's trip from Reno to JH, figuring if the conversion gives you a 2mpg gain:

1400 miles / 14mpg = 100 g of fuel * $2.75 = $275
1400 miles / 16mpg = 87.5 g of fuel * $2.75 = $240 or a $35 savings

Kit cost $785 / $35 = ~23 fill ups to offset the cost.

~23 fill ups or 23 trips?

[Trunk Monkey]

Originally Posted by LandCruiserPhil

Wagoneer5 runs the Slee 2wd kit on his '07

Not any more he doesn't.

Originally Posted by LandCruiserPhil

~23 fill ups or 23 trips?

Yeah, that too.

[rusty_tlc]

Originally Posted by LandCruiserPhil

~23 fill ups or 23 trips?

Originally Posted by Trunk Monkey

...

Yeah, that too.

23X1400=32,200Miles or about two or three years of normal driving.

Unless you pay a shop to install the kit, or put a value on your own time.

[1loudLX]

Originally Posted by Trunk Monkey

For the OP's trip from Reno to JH, figuring if the conversion gives you a 2mpg gain:

1400 miles / 14mpg = 100 g of fuel * $2.75 = $275
1400 miles / 16mpg = 87.5 g of fuel * $2.75 = $240 or a $35 savings

Kit cost $785 / $35 = ~23 fill ups to offset the cost.

Peace of mind that you can easily get off the trail when your diff explodes? Priceless.

[1loudLX]

Originally Posted by rusty_tlc

23X1400=32,200Miles or about two or three years of normal driving.

Unless you pay a shop to install the kit, or put a value on your own time.

HWY22 could do that amount of driving in less then a half year. If he drives 1400 a weekend, plus whatever else around town-ing that would pay itself off pretty quick, not to mention be fun (BURNOUTSSSSS)

[NMuzj100]

The availability of the kit from Slee makes the concept more practical.

I wonder what the real world mileage increases work out to. A kit like this doesn't keep all the running gear from turning full-time so I'm not sure it would be a huge advantage. Or maybe there is more to it than I understand.

Joff is the only board member I know with a kit installed.



Part Time Kit With Freewheel Hubs - 100 Series Land Cruiser

[2000UZJ]

Originally Posted by LandCruiserPhil

Wagoneer5 runs the Slee 2wd kit on his '07

Originally Posted by NMuzj100

The availability of the kit makes the concept more practical.

I wonder what the real world mileage increases work out to. A kit like this doesn't keep all the running gear from turning full-time so I'm not sure it would be a huge advantage. Or maybe there is more to it than I understand.

Joff is the only board member I know with a kit installed.



Part Time Kit With Freewheel Hubs - 100 Series Land Cruiser

not quite. but so far only 2 run the part time kit.


i would think over time it would pay for itself. A small increase in MPG and less were on the cv axles, and boots.

[LandCruiserPhil]

With you 2WD kit what all do you give up? ABS, VSC, TRAC?

[Trunk Monkey]

Originally Posted by NMuzj100

I wonder what the real world mileage increases work out to. A kit like this doesn't keep all the running gear from turning full-time so I'm not sure it would be a huge advantage. Or maybe there is more to it than I understand.

A friend of mine did what this kit basically does on his 80 for a couple of trips from Salt Lake City to Los Angeles. He saw about a 2mpg increase overall.

The kit does decrease wear and certainly gives a different driving feel. I had the front driveline out of my 80 for a couple weeks and it was a totally different beast. With this kit 4wd relies on the center diff and hubs. If I were putting on the kind of miles the OP was, I would def. consider it. But for more casual use, it'd take awhile to pay for itself.

[NMuzj100]

Originally Posted by NMuzj100

A kit like this doesn't keep all the running gear from turning full-time so I'm not sure it would be a huge advantage. Or maybe there is more to it than I understand.

There is more to it than I thought. And it does disengage the front running gear.

MarK's 4WD adapters has a good FAQ.

They say the ABS is unaffected.

[dclee]

But full-time 4WD has a safety factor all its own, as well as the point landcruiserphil makes about the electronic traction systems. Personally, not worth giving up any of that.

My $0.02,

[1loudLX]

Originally Posted by LandCruiserPhil

With you 2WD kit what all do you give up? ABS, VSC, TRAC?

NOTHING.


It makes your hubs be able to disconnect and makes your t-case have a part time option. Nothing else is affected. Its really quite simple, everyone's looking too much into this. ABS isnt affected, thus VSC and TRAC also arent, since neither actually throttle in more power to control the vehicle, only cuts it or adds brakes.

[rusty_tlc]

Originally Posted by 1loudLX

Peace of mind that you can easily get off the trail when your diff explodes? Priceless.

It only takes about twenty minutes to drop the front drive line and pull the wheel drive flanges.

[NMuzj100]

Originally Posted by 1loudLX

Nothing else is affected. Its really quite simple, everyone's looking too much into this. ABS isnt affected, thus VSC and TRAC also arent, since neither actually throttle in more power to control the vehicle, only cuts it or adds brakes.

From what I understand ... (correct me if I'm wrong).

What you gain ...
- 5-10% fuel economy gain
- Better steering response
- Better acceleration
- Decreased wear on front drive-train

What you give up-
- 4WD in High Gear (thx trunk)
- The ability to shift to 4WD without getting out of the truck
- Cost of kit and installation

ABS unaffected in IFS applications.

VSC is not disabled but may not be as effective with the change in vehicle dynamics ?

TRAC is not disabled but also won't be doing anything in the front since there will be no wheel-spin when disconnected.

[Trunk Monkey]

4wd in high gear is unaffected, lock hubs and lock center diff.

[rusty_tlc]

Originally Posted by NMuzj100

From what I understand ... (correct me if I'm wrong).

What you gain ...
- 5-10% fuel economy gain
- Better steering response
- Better acceleration
- Decreased wear on front drive-train

What you give up-
- 4WD in High Gear
- The ability to shift to 4WD without getting out of the truck
- Cost of kit and installation

ABS unaffected in IFS applications.

VSC is not disabled but may not be as effective with the change in vehicle dynamics ?

TRAC is not disabled but also won't be doing anything in the front since there will be no wheel-spin when disconnected.

Those of us with old school Cruiser that have to get out to shift to 4WD usually lock the hubs in advance. Like in the driveway if there is snow on the road or when we air down at the trail head. No big deal there.

[moooooooo]

i never did say thanks for providing this LC100 forum. So i do now. Thanks.
i love this sort of discussion/debate!!

and the questions around my question about going metric...yes....i have to say...i love a fucking good pint. In fact i love many many pints of beer....i have a couple of English friends....and not that that matters, it just means instead of our "normal" servings of beer - in Victoria it's called a "pot"....NSW and co (see below) call that measure a "middie", and NSW, QLD , and SA have something called a "schooner"....all smaller than a pint (cant remember about WA).
Victoria has a couple of measures even smaller.
The only place i know in Melbourne that has them is the Elms Family Hotel in Spring Street.

Their used to be a 7oz glass called "a glass" of beer. And way way way back...5oz.....called a Pony (NFI why)

you can still get a glass of beer in SOME pubs.....but a Pony? no. The only place i know is the Elms.

4wd relevance? i drove my 4wd there. And met some 4wd friends there. And no. We drank pints :-)
peter

[e9999]

maybe it's time to start the "Great MUD premium gas test".

Coupla people doing predictable drives want to do a well-controlled test and help put this matter to rest?

[NMuzj100]

Originally Posted by e9999

Coupla people doing predictable drives want to do a well-controlled test and help put this matter to rest?

Good luck with that!

After that maybe we'll have Schotts and a couple of other guys take a couple of 100s and a couple of 80s out on some pretty standard trails and come back to us with the answer to the "80 vs. 100" question once and for all.