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12-02-08, 01:50 PM
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Which brand of locker would you install?
ARB or TJM?
I have a feeling it's going to lean towards ARB.
Since blowing my diffs, the last two times I wheeled, I was very tenative of giving it too much right foot.
Looking at pricing now for just front and both front and rear.
For some reason, I don't think the Boss will find it Recession friendly though...
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12-02-08, 03:21 PM
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arb....remember TJM is dead to the US?
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12-02-08, 03:31 PM
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IH8MUD Addict
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Washington
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In a 100 series? An ARB, because there are no other options.
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Originally Posted by macneill
ARB or TJM?
I have a feeling it's going to lean towards ARB.
Since blowing my diffs, the last two times I wheeled, I was very tenative of giving it too much right foot.
Looking at pricing now for just front and both front and rear.
For some reason, I don't think the Boss will find it Recession friendly though...
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12-02-08, 03:32 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
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same boat
You've blown two front diffs? Did you get completely new diff each time or just replace internals? Why did you not upgrade to a front locker the first time? I am in the same situation right now trying to decide what to do.
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12-02-08, 03:38 PM
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Uhhhh... that's right. Good point.
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Originally Posted by 1loudLX
arb....remember TJM is dead to the US?
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I blew the front. Upon inspection, Toyota said I blew the t-case too. Both were replaced. New front, used t-case. Once it was back together, the rear was making noise. The rear was replaced with a new one. All a month out of warranty. A very expensive lesson.
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Originally Posted by jgray
You've blown two front diffs? Did you get completely new diff each time or just replace internals? Why did you not upgrade to a front locker the first time? I am in the same situation right now trying to decide what to do.
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12-02-08, 04:30 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Salt Lake City
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TJM doesn't make lockers and as rpbiz pointed out, ARB's the only option available. Slee posted in some other thread recently that front and rear and install is around $5k.
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12-02-08, 07:28 PM
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Tweed Coast Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trunk Monkey
TJM doesn't make lockers and as rpbiz pointed out, ARB's the only option available. Slee posted in some other thread recently that front and rear and install is around $5k.
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TJM - Serious 4WD Equipment > Products > Products Parent > Pro Locker
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12-02-08, 09:33 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Salt Lake City
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 98lux
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Well that's a new product I hadn't heard about. Still, not available in the US. 
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12-02-08, 09:59 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: San Antonio, Texas
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ARB- tried and true. How can you improve a locker that doesn't fail?
TJM- new guy on the block, un-tested design and materials.
My vote is obviously for ARB Air Locker front and rear.
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12-02-08, 10:24 PM
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Agreed. I've always been a TJM fan:
TJM - Serious 4WD Equipment > Products > Products Parent > Pro Locker
But since they're outta here, ARB it is.
Gotta save up some funds for this one.
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12-02-08, 10:45 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LandCruisers4Life
ARB- tried and true. How can you improve a locker that doesn't fail?
TJM- new guy on the block, un-tested design and materials.
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Actually, the TJM locker is rumored to be a rebadged Jack McNamara locking diff which is supposedly over 20 years old and has proven reliable. But still I would go ARB since installers here are familiar with it and parts are available.
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12-03-08, 10:48 AM
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IH8MUD Addict
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Washington
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$5k would get you arb locker, custom hybrid rear locker, Aftermarket gears, compresser, bearings, seals, labor, sales tax, etc. It would be much less $$ to install arb's or an arb without regearing.
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Originally Posted by Trunk Monkey
TJM doesn't make lockers and as rpbiz pointed out, ARB's the only option available. Slee posted in some other thread recently that front and rear and install is around $5k.
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12-03-08, 10:59 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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What is an estimate for just arbs front and rear without regearing, can you get that done for 3000 or less?
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12-03-08, 11:32 AM
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IH8MUD Addict
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For that reason it is best that you contact us directly. email, phone or pm
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Originally Posted by uzj100
What is an estimate for just arbs front and rear without regearing, can you get that done for 3000 or less?
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12-03-08, 11:48 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Tucson, AZ
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I locked both my rigs for under $3000 (labor included). Got a free ARB compressor each time as well. Promo on the free compressor right now in fact.
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12-03-08, 06:57 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Mar 2003
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$5k pricing is doing it right with Toyota switches, all new Toyota parts in diff, including all bolts, nuts, bearings etc etc. Without comparing details, you can not compare prices.
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12-03-08, 07:02 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeoffroad
$5k pricing is doing it right with Toyota switches, all new Toyota parts in diff, including all bolts, nuts, bearings etc etc. Without comparing details, you can not compare prices.
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You mean including the regear and needed 80 parts...$5K?
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12-03-08, 07:26 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2003
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John, you also had yours done 4-5 years ago.
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12-03-08, 07:56 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hoser
John, you also had yours done 4-5 years ago.
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LX450 was done only 2-years ago. Not including the 4.88 gears it was under $3000 including labor and Toyota gaskets, parts, etc. I know the lockers are up a bit now. I paid $787 then per locker and got the free compressor. What are they now? $920 or something and with a free compressor. Add $260 and we're about $3100-3200 in 2009.
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12-03-08, 08:56 PM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Mar 2003
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You can not compare a 80 with a 100. The parts are more as well as labor to make the rear work. Do you even know what parts they replaced inside the thirds. Also how was wiring done,etc etc
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12-04-08, 12:23 AM
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Jun 2008
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What's the best way to do the switches?
Slee - Do you use OEM Toyota or ARB for the switch?
Any pics of a nice and clean install?
thanks
jg
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12-04-08, 01:00 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
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12-04-08, 11:28 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeoffroad
You can not compare a 80 with a 100. The parts are more as well as labor to make the rear work. Do you even know what parts they replaced inside the thirds. Also how was wiring done,etc etc
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If you regear...yes.
We're talking about adding lockers.
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12-04-08, 11:31 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Mar 2003
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If you add lockers, you still remove the ring gear from the carrier and you might need new carrier bearings. If you don't know the details, don't compare prices. Re-using diff bolts etc is a shortcut.
There are many ways to skin this cat, some are cheap and nasty.
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12-04-08, 11:32 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jgolden
What's the best way to do the switches?
Slee - Do you use OEM Toyota or ARB for the switch?
Any pics of a nice and clean install?
thanks
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We use Toyota switches, and depending on year model, we will also integrate the lights on the dash, if available.
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12-04-08, 11:48 AM
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The OEM switch makes for a very clean install. That's how I did mine.
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12-04-08, 11:51 AM
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeoffroad
If you add lockers, you still remove the ring gear from the carrier and you might need new carrier bearings. If you don't know the details, don't compare prices. Re-using diff bolts etc is a shortcut.
There are many ways to skin this cat, some are cheap and nasty.
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There are many ways to add things onto a job that can increase the price dramatically that some folks simply don't need.........
*Locker dash lights (the ARB's lock instantly anyhow)
*Toyota OEM locker switch
*Etc.
Neither of my locker jobs were "cheap and nasty" as time has told. The 100 has had zero ARB issues in 5-years. They hold air for several days before the compressor even kicks in.
Insinuating that about $3000K is a "nasty and cheap" locker install is not fair to the readers. Here's what it took on 1/28/2006 for example:
$780.00...labor (2 lockers w'gears and compressor w'wiring)
$0.00...Large Toyota rear carrier bearing
$1580...two ARB lockers
$0.00...Free ARB compressor offer
$112...Misc Toyotal seal kits/parts
$225...Tapered ponion package
$239...Master O/H Toyota kit
(Gears were $486 and we won't add them in)
TOTAL COST...$2936 COMPLETE
Now...add in today's higher locker price...You're at about $32-3300. For cry from $5K. And I will say, those ARB illuminated locker switches look sweet! Easier to turn on and off as well.
If somebody else wants to add all kinds of other stuff (OEM switch, locker lights) then let them, but don't tell everyone they need to. If somebody has a unique situation and needs to replace worn out parts, then that's cool as well and the price goes higher. To lead people to think it can't be done for a tad over $3K is misleading IMO. Plenty of us need just the parts and labor.
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12-04-08, 12:09 PM
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