98,99- is one better? Why?

LCWannabe · 05-23-08, 01:30 PM

Hi, I'm an 80 owner, new on the 100 forum. Looking at buying a 100 (stock) for the wife's DD. I want the RR locker because it will probably be mine one day, also, want an older model to get it cheaper. Trying to stay around $11-12K or so. Is there anything "bad" about the 98 being the first year of the redesign. Any reason to buy one over the other? I have searched, but haven't found a lot addressing this subject. Thanks, Dan.

Trunk Monkey · 05-23-08, 01:35 PM

99, rear AC.

KBrummer-KY · 05-23-08, 01:43 PM

Bought a 98 3 years ago for my wife's DD and it's been a tank. I too am getting it from her when my lease is up. I would agree with Trunk Monkey - lack of rear AC is not optimal, but we've managed okay with the kids, even for road trips. Look at all the links to the 90K-100K services so you know what you're getting into.

-Kevin

LCWannabe · 05-23-08, 08:53 PM

KBrummer- what do you mean by "Tank"? Good or bad?

89s rule · 05-23-08, 09:42 PM

not all 99's have rear air so be careful. If you will use the 3rd row I would make sure and get one with the rear air. Also, you might be able to find a 2000 for close to thast price if you are patient. Alot of safety features added in 2000, search as the rear locker vs. ATRAC and VSC have been discussed b/f.

spressomon · 05-24-08, 09:32 AM

The only - to 2000/2001 is the potential tranny issue that's popped up here and there; probably still unlikely but something to consider in the bargaining process. Extended warranty might be more important on these.

ginericLC · 05-24-08, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Trunk Monkey

99, rear AC.

NOT ALWAYS!

E&TMcD'sLC · 05-27-08, 06:31 AM

I have a 1998 with rear air. However, the air is located on the mid consol section between the two front seats. Is this not considered rear air?

Trunk Monkey · 05-27-08, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by E&TMcD'sLC

I have a 1998 with rear air. However, the air is located on the mid consol section between the two front seats. Is this not considered rear air?

Nope, the '99 had the option for a rear AC system that runs up in the roof, has vents on the 2nd and 3rd rows and a control above the 2nd row DS.

KBrummer-KY · 05-27-08, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by LCWannabe

KBrummer- what do you mean by "Tank"? Good or bad?

I'm talking the indestructable "go through anything" nature of a tank but also the gas mileage of a tank. Either way, I still love it.

spressomon · 05-27-08, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trunk Monkey

Nope, the '99 had the option for a rear AC system that runs up in the roof, has vents on the 2nd and 3rd rows and a control above the 2nd row DS.

My '99 has the controls above the DS 3rd row...

Trunk Monkey · 05-27-08, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by spressomon

My '99 has the controls above the DS 3rd row...

Nit picky. It's right above the 2nd row headrest, forward of the 3rd row.

spressomon · 05-27-08, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Trunk Monkey

Nit picky. It's right above the 2nd row headrest, forward of the 3rd row.

For a second there I thought they had two placements...depending on whether it was ordered with/without the 3rd row seats.

ShottsUZJ100 · 05-27-08, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LCWannabe

I want the RR locker because it will probably be mine one day

Why ya want the rear locker Dan?

Elijah · 05-27-08, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

Why ya want the rear locker Dan?

Just a guess, having a rear locker is better off road than not having one.

ShottsUZJ100 · 05-27-08, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Elijah

Just a guess, having a rear locker is better off road than not having one.

Dan's the one to answer this.

Elijah · 05-27-08, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

Dan's the one to answer this.

Why? Is it possible that on the 98's and 99's that it IS better to not have the rear locker?

It's a given that on the 98's and 99's that it is better to have a rear locker.

Trunk Monkey · 05-27-08, 06:22 PM

I think Shott's is playing coy (and chatting way too much) with his posts. Don't sweat it Elijah, better to not respond.

Elijah · 05-27-08, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Trunk Monkey

I think Shott's is playing coy (and chatting way too much) with his posts. Don't sweat it Elijah, better to not respond.

I totally forgot about that with him. I was thinking there might have been something better to having it without the rear locker. I got sucked in. Carry on.

LCWannabe · 05-29-08, 03:34 PM

I want the rear locker because I am assuming that it is better offroad, and therefore far more manly. I have a bit of a complex (my 80 has no lockers ;-). Actually, I have read up a bit more since I posted that, and I now would also look at 2000 (ATRAC), in large part due to your (Schotts) posts. I do want to get a lower cost one though, and I would think that that means older (as in 98, 99). Thanks for all the replies, they are exactly what I was looking for, Dan.

ShottsUZJ100 · 05-29-08, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LCWannabe

I want the rear locker because I am assuming that it is better offroad

and I now would also look at 2000 (ATRAC), in large part due to your (Shotts) posts.

Gotcha. That was what I was figuring though better to ask than assume.

Of course the wallet many times dictates what we can buy. I would encourage you to consider making the squeeze up to a 2000 model. If you can't, you can't. It will:

Do as well with TRAC (or maybe better) off-road (depends on terrain)
Be safer (VSC)
Be a better DD because of the above. Don't know where you live, but if it's wet, snowy or icy I'd want my wife in the 2000. Again, if possible.

LCWannabe · 05-29-08, 06:05 PM

Well, I am definitely considering 2000s. I happen to be fairly interested in a 99 right now, but it (supposedly) has LOTS of PM done, and is (again, supposedly) in great shape. I hope to see it this weekend. I definitely respect your opinion regarding the TRAC, but at the same time, I feel like my 80 is very stable in snow, ice, etc, and it does not have TRAC. Snow and ice are definitely conditions that we deal with here in ND. I would say that, all else being equal, after reading up on it a bit, I would take a 2000 over a 98, 99. BUT, if I find a 99 that is in great shape, tons of (expensive) PM done, etc, I'll take it over a similar 2000 without the PM. Thanks again, Dan.

Herky · 05-29-08, 06:19 PM

Wannabe, where are you located?

LCWannabe · 05-29-08, 10:09 PM

I live in North Dakota. I will be traveling to Arizona soon, driving home in two weeks. Hoping to pick up a rust free 100 and tow the 80 home with it. Are you selling one?

89s rule · 05-30-08, 07:52 AM

When considerign one for the wife and myself I only looked at 2000+ they are all droping in price now, just be patient and get the one with more safety features. When considering keeping your family safe is it really worth saving $2K or less? (You can add a rear locker later, but you cant add VSC or ATRAC.)

I have seen 2000's for $12-15K. Wish I had the $ now as I got a guy down to $20K on a '03. We decided to wait until after the baby is here b/f we do anything. Who knows.

pint · 05-30-08, 08:17 AM

FWIW - I think calamaridog may still have his 2000 for sale at $12K? Great deal for someone! It's listed in the classifieds.

ChuckB · 05-30-08, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pint

FWIW - I think calamaridog may still have his 2000 for sale at $12K? Great deal for someone! It's listed in the classifieds.

As far as I know its still for sale.

LCWannabe · 05-30-08, 11:49 AM

I have seen Calimari's. I am really looking for more of a totally stock cream puff.

05-23-08, 01:30 PM	#1
LCWannabe IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 83	98,99- is one better? Why? Hi, I'm an 80 owner, new on the 100 forum. Looking at buying a 100 (stock) for the wife's DD. I want the RR locker because it will probably be mine one day, also, want an older model to get it cheaper. Trying to stay around $11-12K or so. Is there anything "bad" about the 98 being the first year of the redesign. Any reason to buy one over the other? I have searched, but haven't found a lot addressing this subject. Thanks, Dan. __________________ 97 LC- not locked (yet)- 285 X Terrains- 115K-Downey Springs-Bilsteins-4+ Drop Brackets

05-23-08, 01:35 PM	#2
Trunk Monkey IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Salt Lake City TLCA# 11251 Posts: 2,760	99, rear AC. __________________ Cory Fillmore TLCA Western Individual Representative 99 UZJ

05-23-08, 08:53 PM	#4
LCWannabe IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 83	KBrummer- what do you mean by "Tank"? Good or bad? __________________ 97 LC- not locked (yet)- 285 X Terrains- 115K-Downey Springs-Bilsteins-4+ Drop Brackets

05-23-08, 09:42 PM	#5
89s rule <>< Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Due West, SC TLCA# 14198 Posts: 2,876	not all 99's have rear air so be careful. If you will use the 3rd row I would make sure and get one with the rear air. Also, you might be able to find a 2000 for close to thast price if you are patient. Alot of safety features added in 2000, search as the rear locker vs. ATRAC and VSC have been discussed b/f. __________________ '93 FZJ 32K miles 850/863's, Baja 540c, Lightforce 240, and 40L Norcold waiting. '89 FJ62 - 4" Alcan, 33" BFG MT's, 4.88's, Lockright (rear), 4runner calipers, & 3' firestick. Cruise in the garage. FOR SALE! '97 4Runner SR5 - 4x4, leather, '06 4runner rims, 265/70/17 Toyo AT, TJM T-15, 3 baby seats. (Wife's DD) '83 FJ60 - DooDoo Brown in and out FOR SALE! '63 Biscayne Wagon - Kandy Green and Tweed. Family Wagon 3rd row in the garage. Erskine College Upstate Cruisers

05-24-08, 09:32 AM	#6
spressomon IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Reno Posts: 4,796	The only - to 2000/2001 is the potential tranny issue that's popped up here and there; probably still unlikely but something to consider in the bargaining process. Extended warranty might be more important on these. __________________ Modded '99 for overlanding/exploring: 35's, 4.88's, AO drawers, Slee rr, TJM fr, ARB fr locker, ear candy, Waeco CF-50, PowerGate with 2nd battery, home brew sliders & t-case skid plate, 9.5XP/X-line, LF 170's, OEM 864's, Foxes x 4, 12mm BL, Carl's UCAs, ... KE7NCM

05-23-08, 01:43 PM	#3
KBrummer-KY IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Northern Kentucky Posts: 22	Bought a 98 3 years ago for my wife's DD and it's been a tank. I too am getting it from her when my lease is up. I would agree with Trunk Monkey - lack of rear AC is not optimal, but we've managed okay with the kids, even for road trips. Look at all the links to the 90K-100K services so you know what you're getting into. -Kevin

05-27-08, 06:31 AM	#8
E&TMcD'sLC IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Denver Posts: 14	I have a 1998 with rear air. However, the air is located on the mid consol section between the two front seats. Is this not considered rear air?

05-27-08, 06:22 PM	#18
Trunk Monkey IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Salt Lake City TLCA# 11251 Posts: 2,760	I think Shott's is playing coy (and chatting way too much) with his posts. Don't sweat it Elijah, better to not respond. __________________ Cory Fillmore TLCA Western Individual Representative 99 UZJ

05-29-08, 03:34 PM	#20
LCWannabe IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 83	I want the rear locker because I am assuming that it is better offroad, and therefore far more manly. I have a bit of a complex (my 80 has no lockers ;-). Actually, I have read up a bit more since I posted that, and I now would also look at 2000 (ATRAC), in large part due to your (Schotts) posts. I do want to get a lower cost one though, and I would think that that means older (as in 98, 99). Thanks for all the replies, they are exactly what I was looking for, Dan. __________________ 97 LC- not locked (yet)- 285 X Terrains- 115K-Downey Springs-Bilsteins-4+ Drop Brackets

05-29-08, 06:05 PM	#22
LCWannabe IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 83	Well, I am definitely considering 2000s. I happen to be fairly interested in a 99 right now, but it (supposedly) has LOTS of PM done, and is (again, supposedly) in great shape. I hope to see it this weekend. I definitely respect your opinion regarding the TRAC, but at the same time, I feel like my 80 is very stable in snow, ice, etc, and it does not have TRAC. Snow and ice are definitely conditions that we deal with here in ND. I would say that, all else being equal, after reading up on it a bit, I would take a 2000 over a 98, 99. BUT, if I find a 99 that is in great shape, tons of (expensive) PM done, etc, I'll take it over a similar 2000 without the PM. Thanks again, Dan. __________________ 97 LC- not locked (yet)- 285 X Terrains- 115K-Downey Springs-Bilsteins-4+ Drop Brackets

05-29-08, 06:19 PM	#23
Herky IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: S. Texas TLCA# 13987 Posts: 427	Wannabe, where are you located? __________________ '79 FJ40 '99 UZJ100 '07 Lexus IS250 TLCA# 13987

05-29-08, 10:09 PM	#24
LCWannabe IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 83	I live in North Dakota. I will be traveling to Arizona soon, driving home in two weeks. Hoping to pick up a rust free 100 and tow the 80 home with it. Are you selling one? __________________ 97 LC- not locked (yet)- 285 X Terrains- 115K-Downey Springs-Bilsteins-4+ Drop Brackets

05-30-08, 07:52 AM	#25
89s rule <>< Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Due West, SC TLCA# 14198 Posts: 2,876	When considerign one for the wife and myself I only looked at 2000+ they are all droping in price now, just be patient and get the one with more safety features. When considering keeping your family safe is it really worth saving $2K or less? (You can add a rear locker later, but you cant add VSC or ATRAC.) I have seen 2000's for $12-15K. Wish I had the $ now as I got a guy down to $20K on a '03. We decided to wait until after the baby is here b/f we do anything. Who knows. __________________ '93 FZJ 32K miles 850/863's, Baja 540c, Lightforce 240, and 40L Norcold waiting. '89 FJ62 - 4" Alcan, 33" BFG MT's, 4.88's, Lockright (rear), 4runner calipers, & 3' firestick. Cruise in the garage. FOR SALE! '97 4Runner SR5 - 4x4, leather, '06 4runner rims, 265/70/17 Toyo AT, TJM T-15, 3 baby seats. (Wife's DD) '83 FJ60 - DooDoo Brown in and out FOR SALE! '63 Biscayne Wagon - Kandy Green and Tweed. Family Wagon 3rd row in the garage. Erskine College Upstate Cruisers

05-30-08, 08:17 AM	#26
pint IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Parker, CO TLCA# 17493 Posts: 1,043	FWIW - I think calamaridog may still have his 2000 for sale at $12K? Great deal for someone! It's listed in the classifieds. __________________ 2000 UZJ100, OME 865, OME T-bars, Slee Diff Drop, Slee SliderSteps, TJM T3, PowerStop Cross Drilled & Slotted Rotors, 295 Terra Grapplers M101 Trailer - Sold 1993 Bontrager Race Lite MTB

05-30-08, 11:49 AM	#28
LCWannabe IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 83	I have seen Calimari's. I am really looking for more of a totally stock cream puff. __________________ 97 LC- not locked (yet)- 285 X Terrains- 115K-Downey Springs-Bilsteins-4+ Drop Brackets