100 VS Discovery II - Articulation

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by Flyingdog5000

both vehicles had OME suspension

The other mod I had on my Disco was to install the CDL shifter from a Disco I, so that I could lock the center diff.

the Disco was clearly a more flexy vehicle than the 100.

Not even in the same category. I've run them up the ramp............

F-Dog, with all due respect.....these comments either represent "exaggerations" or "the lack of experience with both these vehicles". NOTE: I am not saying you lack wheeling experience.

You compare them suspension-wise because they both had OME-brand. Suspensions can vary and greatly. Here's the same truck with two different OME suspensions. Pic one is the setup I'm sure you and 99% out there have on their 100's. Pic two is my latest OME setup. The difference "ramp-wise" or 'flex-wise" is huge! Both pics were taken at the highest spot on the rock just before the rear wheel lifted. Actually, on pic 2 I was at the top so I don't even know IF I was ready to lift a wheel. With my current setup an OME suspended DII can't touch me in the articulation dept yet you say the 100 isn't even in the same category as the DII. Not the case my friend.

Please compare and read on after the pics. I have some video to show you.




Next...let's look at traction control/articulation between the "regular OME setup (not my latest) and a DII with CDL mod:

DII....Look at the pauses and pulses and wheel lift.
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adven...johnp_lift.wmv

100....Smooth and with only one very short pause foir TRAC to kick in.
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adven...johns_lift.wmv

LASTLY: Let's compare stock-to-stock:

2001 100....NO VIDEO of my climb as I went first. Had you seen the climb, the 100 never paused or slid. TRAC kicked in a couple of times and progess never halted. It schooled the others on this climb.

1999 100....Rear locker slides rear out, other slips here and there...no match for a TRAC vehicle
John Shotts (shottscruisers) : photos : Rice Peak with friends 10/02- powered by SmugMug

DII....Handicapped and especially at the end.
John Shotts (shottscruisers) : photos : Rice Peak with friends 10/02- powered by SmugMug

MY POINT OF ALL THIS? The two vehicles ARE in the same category. In places the DII wins. In places the 100 wins. Overall I would never trade for a DII for trail use.

[FirstToy]

can you wear out a picture from reposting?
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[Kneel]

Shotts, you suck at the internet. Here is some front end articulation. Same as on a D1 or RRC. The D2 doesn't come close. Aside from that, I'm staying out of this one. I have room in my ego for both...

[dclee]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

F-Dog, with all due respect.....these comments either represent "exaggerations" or "the lack of experience with both these vehicles". NOTE: I am not saying you lack wheeling experience.

Wow, isn't John amazing? He always says that those who have never owned or wheeled their 100s shouldn't comment on their offroad capabilities, yet here he is, a non-Disco owner, flat out calling an actual Disco owner a liar. Not even "IMHO". What an arrogant, condescending attitude. And part of the reason so many people have a problem with him. Oh well, same ol' Shotts, what else would we do for entertainment on this forum...? :shotts:

[e9999]

oookayyyy.... easy there fellows....

[12fishy]

Nice pic of the Landy Kneel.....Shotts you are the man when it comes to stiring the pot!! I reckon this forum would be boaring without you... stick it to em...

Cheers fishy

[LandCruiserPhil]

Shotts should get his own section.....100 VS any and everything

[spressomon]

Originally Posted by 12fishy

.....Shotts you are the man when it comes to stiring the pot!! I reckon this forum would be boaring without you...:

...or functional...

[ShottsUZJ100]

HA! You negativo's are hilarious. Phil especially! He must not have seen/read the fact that at first I defended the Disco's! Selective reading I suppose......OH, SORRY.....IN MY OPINION.

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by dclee

Wow, isn't John amazing? He always says that those who have never owned or wheeled their 100s shouldn't comment on their offroad capabilities, yet here he is, a non-Disco owner, flat out calling an actual Disco owner a liar. Not even "IMHO". What an arrogant, condescending attitude. And part of the reason so many people have a problem with him. Oh well, same ol' Shotts, what else would we do for entertainment on this forum...? :shotts:

Hee hee! Get a real life! Anybody who says they have experience in both lifted trucks (100 and D2) and then concludes the 100 isn't in the same league as the D2 articulation-wise is simply inexperienced, misguided, or is exaggerating. I stand by my comments and the 100 SERIES WILL SUPPORT MY COMMENTS IN A SIDE-BY-SIDE.

[LandCruiserPhil]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

HA! You negativo's are hilarious. Phil especially! He must not have seen/read the fact that at first I defended the Disco's! Selective reading I suppose......OH, SORRY.....IN MY OPINION.

Little sensitive this morning John.....Sorry you misinterpreted my post, no negativity at all intended. My thought was to keep all the trash talking and pictures of your truck in one spot

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by LandCruiserPhil

Little sensitive this morning :

Not at all. I'm LMAO!

[FJBen]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

Hee hee! Get a real life! Anybody who says they have experience in both lifted trucks (100 and D2) and then concludes the 100 isn't in the same league as the D2 articulation-wise is simply inexperienced, misguided, or is exaggerating. I stand by my comments and the 100 SERIES WILL SUPPORT MY COMMENTS IN A SIDE-BY-SIDE.

YOu realize if someone puts a longer shock (even if it is OME) on the rear of their DISCO, it's going to flex like yours? You just added 2.6" of droop. Just put a longer shock on the Disco and then they will be the same.

I"m not sure why this is always such a painful experience and why the comparisons are never held to the same stipulations/conditions.

FACT: you changed your rear setup to a longer shock which gives your rear end more droop, the whole planet knows this.

FACT: you are saying an OME setup stock on a Disco flexes less than your "L" shocked 100.

BUT: you aren't allowing the Disco to add a longer shock like YOU have to COMPARE.

How is this remotely fair or even a good argument?

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by FJBen

YOu realize if someone puts a longer shock (even if it is OME) on the rear of their DISCO, it's going to flex like yours? You just added 2.6" of droop. Just put a longer shock on the Disco and then they will be the same.

I"m not sure why this is always such a painful experience and why the comparisons are never held to the same stipulations/conditions.

FACT: you changed your rear setup to a longer shock which gives your rear end more droop, the whole planet knows this.

FACT: you are saying an OME setup stock on a Disco flexes less than your "L" shocked 100.

BUT: you aren't allowing the Disco to add a longer shock like YOU have to COMPARE.

How is this remotely fair or even a good argument?

Ben,
I definitely don't want to get in between you and Shotts on this but I do feel the need to answer a couple of your questions. The D2's suspension is different from the D1's, D90's, RRC's especially in the rear. The D2 uses a Watts linkage to locate the rear axle vs, the more tradional panhard rod. This Watts linkage limits the flex of the rear suspension not the shock length. Even with longer shocks added and the rear sway bars removed, there is only so much droop that can be had on a D2 without additional mods. The 100 doesn't have this same limitation and the addition of a longer shock like the N74L can make an impact.
Greg

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by FJBen

YOu realize if someone puts a longer shock (even if it is OME) on the rear of their DISCO, it's going to flex like yours? You just added 2.6" of droop. Just put a longer shock on the Disco and then they will be the same.

I"m not sure why this is always such a painful experience and why the comparisons are never held to the same stipulations/conditions.

FACT: you changed your rear setup to a longer shock which gives your rear end more droop, the whole planet knows this.

FACT: you are saying an OME setup stock on a Disco flexes less than your "L" shocked 100.

BUT: you aren't allowing the Disco to add a longer shock like YOU have to COMPARE.

How is this remotely fair or even a good argument?

ALL WRONG.

I wheel OFTEN with local Disco clubs. Some are the best friends I know.

Throughout these trips I learned one thing.....Disco's are amazing wheelers. Disco's CAN also flex....which was the reason I called LC4Life on his comment about the 100 easily outdoing the DiscoII.

I then did the same thing (called him on it) when I read FDogs statement "not even in the same class". Bull! They are in the same class. Some 100's can outflex some Disco's AND some Disco's can outflex some 100's.

I guess you missed my last statement on that post?

"The two vehicles ARE in the same category."

[LandCruisers4Life]

Shotts,

My "Original Post" stated that my STOCK 100 outflexed my buddies highly modified Disco II in the same position off road. He actually made me drive over the same place 2 times so he could make sure I wasn't lifting a wheel, when his DII had two wheels catty corner off the ground in the same spot. Granted he is running stock sway bars, no mods there. If he changed out his swaybars he could outflex me, but stock to stock the 100 won hands down.

(I own two land cruisers, a land rover DII, and a range rover, and have off roaded all of them, for those rover owners who need to know)

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by LandCruisers4Life

Shotts,

My "Original Post" stated that my STOCK 100 outflexed my buddies highly modified Disco II in the same position off road. He actually made me drive over the same place 2 times so he could make sure I wasn't lifting a wheel, when his DII had two wheels catty corner off the ground in the same spot. Granted he is running stock sway bars, no mods there. If he changed out his swaybars he could outflex me, but stock to stock the 100 won hands down.

(I own two land cruisers, a land rover DII, and a range rover, and have off roaded all of them, for those rover owners who need to know)

I hear ya and follow ya. Sway Disconnects change that a lot and while keeping the stock suspension. It is amazing how well we still flex with bars on.

[dclee]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

Not at all. I'm LMAO!

Believe me, so are we...

As to your comment about getting a real life, I think it's pretty obvious who of all of us spends the most time on here talking about their self and their wonderful truck...

Tech: do any of the Rover lovers know which trucks use radius arms and which ones use traditional control arms?

[spressomon]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

Not at all. I'm LMAO!

I saw something fly by my window this morning and wondered what it was...

[Kneel]

Originally Posted by dclee

Tech: do any of the Rover lovers know which trucks use radius arms and which ones use traditional control arms?

All coil sprung solid axle Rovers use forged radius arms from the 1970 Range Rover to the P38 and D2. The design hasn't changed, just the length of the arm for the application.

[FJBen]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Ben,
I definitely don't want to get in between you and Shotts on this but I do feel the need to answer a couple of your questions. The D2's suspension is different from the D1's, D90's, RRC's especially in the rear. The D2 uses a Watts linkage to locate the rear axle vs, the more tradional panhard rod. This Watts linkage limits the flex of the rear suspension not the shock length. Even with longer shocks added and the rear sway bars removed, there is only so much droop that can be had on a D2 without additional mods. The 100 doesn't have this same limitation and the addition of a longer shock like the N74L can make an impact.
Greg

Greg, get in between!

No i wasn't specifically stating about D2 vs. 100 series.

My point is:
It was more along the lines of putting small mods to a rig can cause all sorts of good or bad results. "L" shock gave shotts more droop. Lifting a rig and not properly adjusting the sway bars (can and has) show loss of flex, maybe thats what the OP friends Disco had?

I'm just talking in general...SOME people aren't keeping a a level field. If you have modded to allow for more flex, then you need to let the competition do the same.

[dclee]

Originally Posted by Kneel

All coil sprung solid axle Rovers use forged radius arms from the 1970 Range Rover to the P38 and D2. The design hasn't changed, just the length of the arm for the application.

OK, thanks. For some reason I thought on the Defender they went to a five-link in the rear, like an 80 or 100.

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by dclee

OK, thanks. For some reason I thought on the Defender they went to a five-link in the rear, like an 80 or 100.

100 is 4-link rear.

[dclee]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

100 is 4-link rear.

two upper control arms
two lower control arms
one panhard rod

2 + 2 + 1 = 5

[FirstToy]

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