UZJ Oil Filter study teaser

NMuzj100 · 02-22-07, 10:36 AM

Here is a teaser picture for my upcoming oil filter analysis.

Cut open so far ...

Toyota YDDZ3
Purolator Premium Plus L10241
SuperTech ST3614
Fram Extra Guard PH3614 (at least 5 years old)

Still intact ...

STP S3614
NAPA Gold 1348
Bosch Premium 3330

And others to follow once I know what I want to do.

What do you want to know about these filters ?

cary · 02-22-07, 11:35 AM

You really need to open up a 20004 filter, generally considered the gold standard reference.

BTW, here is a link with picts of the 20004 cut open.

http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/par...ter/index.html

e9999 · 02-22-07, 01:06 PM

good number of things that would be neat to measure, if somewhat unpractical...

already great to see the insides, though.

Yup, the 20004 stands out!

hoser · 02-22-07, 02:33 PM

NMuzj100, it's great of you to do this. Don't forget the Frantz Toilet Paper Oil Filter!

spressomon · 02-22-07, 02:35 PM

I would think a dual stage dual filter system (Amzoil, etc.) offers the best overall filtration. Any bypass oil has to go through a filter...

Jim_Chow · 02-22-07, 04:37 PM

How about the hyped substitute for the legendary -20004, the Mobil 1/Wix filter?

cruiser88 · 02-22-07, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spressomon

I would think a dual stage dual filter system (Amzoil, etc.) offers the best overall filtration. Any bypass oil has to go through a filter...

yep but costly

ff347 · 02-22-07, 04:49 PM

It's no cheerleader thread................................but very interesting though. I would like to see the Napa Gold as that is what is in both of my vehicles. Thanks for the work.

cary · 02-22-07, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Chow

How about the hyped substitute for the legendary -20004, the Mobil 1/Wix filter?

Ask and you shall receive:

http://www.oilfilterstudy.com/

cruiser88 · 02-22-07, 04:59 PM

looks like i will be going with puralater not

justimaginejack · 02-23-07, 04:13 AM

Thanks, I had a just bought a bunch of these to do this myself.
looks like the K&N and Mobil 1 are the same and the toyota V8 is completely different. Wicks did not inpress me with the number of pleats. Does anybody know what the red material is made of? Also, toyota rarely recomends going over the 5,000 mile mark and depending on which dealer I ask the always say use MOBILE 1 or Castrol blends. Either way, Mobile 1's filter says safe to 15k I wonder if it is worth it to try and run this?

Jim_Chow · 02-23-07, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justimaginejack

Thanks, I had a just bought a bunch of these to do this myself.
looks like the K&N and Mobil 1 are the same and the toyota V8 is completely different. Wicks did not inpress me with the number of pleats. Does anybody know what the red material is made of? Also, toyota rarely recomends going over the 5,000 mile mark and depending on which dealer I ask the always say use MOBILE 1 or Castrol blends. Either way, Mobile 1's filter says safe to 15k I wonder if it is worth it to try and run this?

The M1/Wix filter look no better than the YZZD3, even looking at the size of the holes in the center metal core. Both use paper media. The only one that's clearly different is the factory Toyota -20004.

dclee · 02-23-07, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cary

You really need to open up a 20004 filter, generally considered the gold standard reference.

Does anyone know if the big 20004 will fit on a 100 Series? I still have a case of those left over from my lately departed 80 Series...

cary · 02-23-07, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justimaginejack

Thanks, I had a just bought a bunch of these to do this myself.
looks like the K&N and Mobil 1 are the same and the toyota V8 is completely different. Wicks did not inpress me with the number of pleats. Does anybody know what the red material is made of? Also, toyota rarely recomends going over the 5,000 mile mark and depending on which dealer I ask the always say use MOBILE 1 or Castrol blends. Either way, Mobile 1's filter says safe to 15k I wonder if it is worth it to try and run this?

Search through the threads here and the oil FAQ on the 80 page. The short answer is that the engine used in the 100 is very easy on oil. Running 10k mile intervals on the stock filter with a good synthetic (Mobil 1 0w-40 being my personal preference, with a preference across the board for the Mobil 1 products), is a total non issue. For most driving, 15k miles intervals on this combo is not an issue, but should not be pushed with performing a used Oil Analysis.

cary · 02-23-07, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dclee

Does anyone know if the big 20004 will fit on a 100 Series? I still have a case of those left over from my lately departed 80 Series...

It is my understanding that the 20004 will work, but double check. If not, send that case to me, my 80 will thank you.

Jim_Chow · 02-23-07, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dclee

Does anyone know if the big 20004 will fit on a 100 Series? I still have a case of those left over from my lately departed 80 Series...

YES!!!! The -20004 is the factory filter for the LC/LX. Not only that, it works on a 1986 4runner 22re 4-cylinder engine, too! If you buy an oil filter for the 22re from the dealer, you'll get this dinky filter. But CDan told me a few years back that it would fit (-20004 is longer), and it does! It wouldn't surprise me if the -20004 filter fit every Toyota engine from the mid 80's to present. Nowdays, I use the YZZD3 on the 4runner and 20004 on the LX. Use it on all of your Toyotas...no reason to use the dinky passenger-car OEM filter.

dclee · 02-23-07, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Chow

YES!!!! The -20004 is the factory filter for the LC/LX. Not only that, it works on a 1986 4runner 22re 4-cylinder engine, too! If you buy an oil filter for the 22re from the dealer, you'll get this dinky filter. But CDan told me a few years back that it would fit (-20004 is longer), and it does! It wouldn't surprise me if the -20004 filter fit every Toyota engine from the mid 80's to present. Nowdays, I use the YZZD3 on the 4runner and 20004 on the LX. Use it on all of your Toyotas...no reason to use the dinky passenger-car OEM filter.

Thanks guys, and my truck thanks you!

For some reason I seem to remember CDan saying that the -20004 was being superceded by the dinky filter, and was no longer going to be made? I know when our local dealers look up filters for the 1FZ-FE and the 3FE (in the 91-92 80 Series), you get the dinky filter.

cary · 02-23-07, 02:27 PM

The 20004 is no longer imported, but still made. Somehow C-dan has managed to get his hands on a pallet of them, so if you want some, he is the sole source.

macneill · 02-23-07, 02:29 PM

Wow, this thread is cool. Thanks for the info.

Sticking with OEM.

NMuzj100 · 02-23-07, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cary

You really need to open up a 20004 filter, generally considered the gold standard reference.

I'll be happy to open any filter you want to send me once I get my methods and data collection requirements together.

The real question with the 20004 is ... is the "beef jerky" media really better?

Not all Toyota OEMs are going to be great filters. The Toyota filter I just pulled off my Camry may be a Purolator in black paint. Not bad but not worth paying more for.

I decided to do the head-to-head because filters may be made by a different manufacturer for every model regardless of who's name is on the box.

My limitations are to test only those filters recommended for the UZJ by the manufacturer (i.e. in the parts book) and those that have been verified as meeting all the specs by a knowledgeable source (M1 M-209 verified as OK per Mobile Techline).

So far I would not run a SuperTech because it has no bypass and the Fram by reputation. (CORRECTION - The SuperTech does have a bypass but it is integrated into a combination anti-drainback/bypass valve at the threaded end. I would use this filter knowing what I know now. This is a Champion filter E-core design.)