[dclee]

Originally Posted by 1loudLX

I used to drive a '91 911, no traction control or stability systems. Only very basic ABS. Ive had to correct that on some hairy turns, takes much more finesse and driver control over the LX to keep planted at the outer limits of its performance capibilities.

And I applaud you, I hear those old 911's are twitchy beasts. I've only got experience in a newer Turbo (996), which of course has all-wheel drive and stability control to help tame that goofy rear engine weight bias.

But I still stand by what I said. On a public road, I see absolutely NO reason to be driving ANY vehicle at the limit, whether a 911 or a 100 Series. Deserted snowy parking lots or closed-circuit tracks are another matter, of course.

BTW, I join you in drinking from the 911 Kool-Aid!

[dclee]

Originally Posted by SWUtah

my 2004 has side air bags and side curtain air bags.

Side and side curtain airbags were an option beginning in 2003. As far as I know they're are still only optional. They were standard on the LX, but not sure from what year.

[cary]

Originally Posted by dclee

BTW, I join you in drinking from the 911 Kool-Aid!

My name is Cary, and I have a Porsche problem. It seems to be a common disease. I have a 964 C2 on the shopping list.

[cary]

Originally Posted by DoctorJay

VSC is automatically disabled when the CDL is locked. I didn't figure that out until after playing in the snow. It's too @#$% cold to snow here right now, but I'll be out playing next time it does.

Good to know. Is there a way to disable the traction control also so it doesn't hammer as it tries to switch power side to side?

[1loudLX]

Originally Posted by cary

My name is Cary, and I have a Porsche problem. It seems to be a common disease. I have a 964 C2 on the shopping list.

yup i had a 964 C4 cabriolet, black on white interior. My porsche problem has reached my email address, AIM login, every poster on my wall, over 50% of my scale model collection, and even buying 100$+ wall emblems from the dealer. Just picked up a 1:43rd scale #8 of 300 hand crafted 911 Turbo Targa 3.3 models, to the tune of about 240 dollars.

[dclee]

Originally Posted by cary

My name is Cary, and I have a Porsche problem. It seems to be a common disease. I have a 964 C2 on the shopping list.

930S Turbo Slant Nose is on my short list. AFAIC they still haven't topped that one.

Cruiser content: the 100 Series' brakes are so good, they slow it from 60-0 faster than a Porsche 911 Turbo!

[mikesurfs]

I have a 2000 LC and it's ALOT safer.

Mike

[ChuckB]

993 C4S for me...one day!

Cruiser content: I want another 100

[mikesurfs]

Performance cars?

I sold my 2005 300hp Subaru STI to buy the LC. The STI was an amazing vehicle and I hope to someday get another.

Mike.

[DoctorJay]

3" of the white stuff last night. Visited my friendly local Unitarian Church parking lot on the way to work. Locked the CDL and got in 5 minutes of power slides on the way to work. I love trying to slide the length of the lot (about 100 yds) without spinning out or straightening out. Perfect way to start the day!

Tech content: the VSC does indeed shut off when the CDL is locked.

If only I still had my 1988 911 hardtop...

[cary]

Originally Posted by DoctorJay

If only I still had my 1988 911 hardtop...

There is a fun one in the snow, rain, and dry. I had my stepsister's 89 911 Cab (they thought I would buy it if I drove it, and I would have if it was a hardtop) for a while, and that thing suffered from terminal oversteer and terminal understeer depending on how hot you came into the corner. I did like when it pushed under throttle that you could drop throttle it to get the rear to come around.

Tech Content: Try doing that in a 100 with VSC.

[1loudLX]

doctah, sounds like you had lots of fun this morning! That is a lot where i go all out when theres some snow down, unless county police are there.
Lat 40*58'2"N
long 73*40'32"W

Originally Posted by cary

that thing suffered from terminal oversteer and terminal understeer depending on how hot you came into the corner. I did like when it pushed under throttle that you could drop throttle it to get the rear to come around.

All older 911s need you to have even more throttle control then wheel control in the turns.

Tech content: VSC nearly prevents any and all loss of control of a 5500lb+ truck...great feature.

[e9999]

how about starting a 911 thread in chat or OT, eh...?

[cary]

Originally Posted by e9999

how about starting a 911 thread in chat or OT, eh...?

Because:

1) Jamisobe will then tell us how the 911 doesn't really exist, the corvette is the only real car;

2) Eric will ask us why we hate pit bulls;

3) Junk will tell us we are a bunch of cockeyed mother f****rs;

4) Lunyou will feel compelled to write something that makes everyone question how he survived childhood;

5) Mickey Rubicon will complain that 911's are to small to lug jug wine;

6) Shahram will chime with a story about his experience with a 911 that will make me pee in my pants; and

7) Shotz won't be able to jump back in at some point and tell us how a 100 is the best vehicle in the world and would run circles around the 911 on the track.

[LXPearl]

This 100 vs 911 thread is interesting. I never had a hankering for a 911 or a Corvette, but it is satisfying to know that the 100 out performs both hot dog cars in the snow. Instead, I grew up liking the early Mustangs and had a few of them (65-67), they were terrible in snow.

[1loudLX]

Actually, my 911 with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires, 205s in the front and 215s(maybe 225s i forget) was on par with my LX in the snow. It could accelerate and handle just as well, just braking took longer in the porsche due to less weight. FYI, i run Michelin LTX M/S tires year round, stock 275/70/16s.

[SWUtah]

Originally Posted by 1loudLX

Actually, my 911 with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires, 205s in the front and 215s(maybe 225s i forget) was on par with my LX in the snow. It could accelerate and handle just as well, just braking took longer in the porsche due to less weight. FYI, i run Michelin LTX M/S tires year round, stock 275/70/16s.

I had a 84 911C, lived in KCMO at the time. Your post doesn't make any sense to me???

[Jim_Chow]

Originally Posted by dclee

Side and side curtain airbags were an option beginning in 2003. As far as I know they're are still only optional. They were standard on the LX, but not sure from what year.

I think it was from '02 on.

[Filmpros]

I have both a 1997 Lexus LX-450 and a 2006 Toyota LC. The ASC saved my butt big time in a 2001 LC I had previous. I drive the 80 series and my lady drives the 100 series. There is no doubt it is the safer of the two (2) vehicles in my opinion.


Rich

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by Filmpros

I have both a 1997 Lexus LX-450 and a 2006 Toyota LC. The ASC saved my butt big time in a 2001 LC I had previous. I drive the 80 series and my lady drives the 100 series. There is no doubt it is the safer of the two (2) vehicles in my opinion.


Rich

Yesterday, Becky and I had our first TRUE TO LIFE experience regarding this issue.

We had finished our trail run and reached the main dirt road (one that I had not been on before). We were running late so I was moving. Bad boy.....at about 50MPH. Ahead in the road I noticed a slight dip followed by a big rise. I hit the brakes to slow, the 100 tracked stright UNTIL we were launched airborn by the dip. The danger factor was that the dip was "cross cut" so we were airborn in a "twisted" direction......we landed at about 30* heading for the ditch on the other side of the road. We knew one of two things would happen:

1. In my 80 we would have went off the road into the ditch at an angle then launched up the hillside at 40MPH and probably rolled due to the terrain, the angle and the speed.

2. In the 100 yesterday, the second we landed at that angle, VSC kicked in and straightened the thing out in an instant. We entered the ditch straight, coasted in it until we slowed and I could re-enter the road.

So, I was in error because I missed the dip and was going to fast. Other than that my driving was spot on. I don't see ever driving out of that airborn landing without the VSC...80 or 100 Hail to the 100! I thought we were going to wipe out. We didn't.

And by the way....if we were in the 80 I'd a never been going 50MPH in the first place. Maybe it's safer after all.

[SWUtah]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

Yesterday, Becky and I had our first TRUE TO LIFE experience regarding this issue.

We had finished our trail run and reached the main dirt road (one that I had not been on before). We were running late so I was moving. Bad boy.....at about 50MPH. Ahead in the road I noticed a slight dip followed by a big rise. I hit the brakes to slow, the 100 tracked stright UNTIL we were launched airborn by the dip. The danger factor was that the dip was "cross cut" so we were airborn in a "twisted" direction......we landed at about 30* heading for the ditch on the other side of the road. We knew one of two things would happen:

1. In my 80 we would have went off the road into the ditch at an angle then launched up the hillside at 40MPH and probably rolled due to the terrain, the angle and the speed.

2. In the 100 yesterday, the second we landed at that angle, VSC kicked in and straightened the thing out in an instant. We entered the ditch straight, coasted in it until we slowed and I could re-enter the road.

So, I was in error because I missed the dip and was going to fast. Other than that my driving was spot on. I don't see ever driving out of that airborn landing without the VSC...80 or 100 Hail to the 100! I thought we were going to wipe out. We didn't.

And by the way....if we were in the 80 I'd a never been going 50MPH in the first place. Maybe it's safer after all.

Did Becky let you drive home? I bet she spanked your little butt or at least gave you a time out.

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by SWUtah

Did Becky let you drive home? I bet she spanked your little butt or at least gave you a time out.

We BOTH thought we were going to crash. It happened so fast and ended so fast I think we just changed the subject.

OK....I'll come clean. I did it on purpose just so she'd spank me.

[Buckru]

An 80 owners perspective on something that has been overlooked. In an 80, the middle row seats do NOT have seat anchors to attach a car seat. Car seats are attached via seat belt. Having moved the car seat (and when younger the infant carrier) between my wifes vehicle (she has anchors) and mine, I find the anchors do a better job of securing the seat or seat base. The 100 series I have seen (please note I don't own a 100 and can't comment as to what year the anchors became standard) had them and looked well done.

Could side curtains be dangerous for children in car seats?

Just so you know, I come here quite a bit as we (wife and I) are talking about a used 100 or a Sienna mini van for her.

Buck Buchanan