2000 transmission failure

agentbubba · 01-29-07, 08:44 AM

I have a 2000 cruiser that has been well maintained. Two weeks ago the truck stalled at a redlight while my wife was driving. When I arrived on the scene it seemed the vehicle was in a high gear when I shifted it into drive or reverse and it stalled. The service guy said it seemed the torque converter was stuck and thought it may be electrical. The problem corrected itself by the time it was towed to the shop. They drove it a few days and returned it to me. A week later it happend again and we towed it back in. There were able to experience the problem at the shop but it self corrected. They had not codes and no way to tell what was causing the problem. They drove it a few more days and then said they would drop the pan and clean the screen on the transmission and hope it was a hydrulic issue. When they droped the pan it was full of metal. They are recommending a remanufactured toyota transmission as the cure.

I have seen a little talk about transmission issues with 2000 cruisers and lx470s. I was wondering if the replacement of the transmission with a remanufactured transmission is a good ling term fix. The truck only has 77k on it and I wanted to drive it another 100k. Not sure if I should fix it and trade it before the warranty is out on the remanufactured transmission or if this is a good repair and I can keep it another 100k miles.

Bubba

ShottsUZJ100 · 01-29-07, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by agentbubba

I have a 2000 cruiser that has been well maintained. Two weeks ago the truck stalled at a redlight while my wife was driving. When I arrived on the scene it seemed the vehicle was in a high gear when I shifted it into drive or reverse and it stalled. The service guy said it seemed the torque converter was stuck and thought it may be electrical. The problem corrected itself by the time it was towed to the shop. They drove it a few days and returned it to me. A week later it happend again and we towed it back in. There were able to experience the problem at the shop but it self corrected. They had not codes and no way to tell what was causing the problem. They drove it a few more days and then said they would drop the pan and clean the screen on the transmission and hope it was a hydrulic issue. When they droped the pan it was full of metal. They are recommending a remanufactured toyota transmission as the cure.

I have seen a little talk about transmission issues with 2000 cruisers and lx470s. I was wondering if the replacement of the transmission with a remanufactured transmission is a good ling term fix. The truck only has 77k on it and I wanted to drive it another 100k. Not sure if I should fix it and trade it before the warranty is out on the remanufactured transmission or if this is a good repair and I can keep it another 100k miles.

Bubba

BUMMER! DAMN....71K. Bubba, did you buy this new?

NMuzj100 · 01-29-07, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by agentbubba

I have seen a little talk about transmission issues with 2000 cruisers and lx470s. I was wondering if the replacement of the transmission with a remanufactured transmission is a good ling term fix.

There has been little talk because there have been almost no issues at all with these transmissions. I think if you go with a Toyota reman unit you will probably have no problems in the future. Sorry to hear about your experience.

For board info - Was the transmission ever serviced? Fluid change,flush ect... Although at 77k I doubt fluid failure has anything to do with the problem. Probably a single bad part or even assembly error.

Tell the shop that for the cost of the new unit and install that you want them to identify exactly what broke and if possible give you the bad parts. We will require post-mortem photos to do a proper inquest.

Arleaux · 01-29-07, 11:41 AM

http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.p...t=transmission

That tranny is still goin strong.

Greg B · 01-29-07, 11:45 AM

I've been on this board for about 2 years now and I can only remember 2 or 3 people that had transmission problems like this. I would think a new re-man'd transmission should give you the mileage you're looking for.

Maybe some of the guys that work for dealerships can chime in to let us know if they've seen more of these popping up. On the 80 vs. 100 thread, there was a Toyota Tech in AK talking about working on a lot of 100's. SinCity, LexusBen, C-Dan; some of them might be able to give good advice too. Good luck to you and sorry to hear the bad news.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of price is the dealer asking for a new transmission?

farinvail · 01-29-07, 11:56 AM

Total bummer. Good luck. Great time to put some lower gears in the t-case. You know, while your in there. See, cup half full. And WELCOME TO THE BOARD

Jim_Chow · 01-29-07, 01:18 PM

I can only recall a few trannies going bad, all being 2000's and, I think, all LX's.

e9999 · 01-29-07, 02:11 PM

welcome to the board despite the less than happy circumstances...!

given the likely cost of the repair, would it not make sense to just have them clean it up first and then see if the symptoms go away? never know....

ShottsUZJ100 · 01-29-07, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by e9999

welcome to the board despite the less than happy circumstances...!

given the likely cost of the repair, would it not make sense to just have them clean it up first and then see if the symptoms go away? never know....

Damn! I thing that's a GREAT idea. What do have to lose? $150 or whatever fluid/filter change.

SINCITY100 · 01-29-07, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NMuzj100

Tell the shop that for the cost of the new unit and install that you want them to identify exactly what broke and if possible give you the bad parts. We will require post-mortem photos to do a proper inquest.

Unfortunately, In order to get credit on his core (old trans), Toyota usually requires that transmission cores are fully assembled.

I would be curious of what part failed too

A re-man unit lists for $2545.50 , which is actually reasonable IMO ....

I`ve personally never seen a 100 series trans fail, but obviously it does happen.
Good luck !

jp213a · 01-29-07, 06:56 PM

I just received Toyota's 2007 Genuine Remanufactured Parts Guide in the mail. For a 2000 LC with the model A343F transmission, the reman transmission part number shown is 35010-6A020-84. It comes with a 12-month unlimited mileage warranty and includes the torque converter. The core value is $1,400 and it must be returned in the Toyota shipping container, fully assembled with no missing parts or external damage. If this part number is entered into the www.toyotapartscheap.com web site, the MSRP is $2,673.72 and their price is $2,138.98 with a $1,000 core value.

I'd be interesting in knowing the history of the vehicle. I'm skeptical of the "no codes" story from the dealer, especially for an intermitent problem. This is a sophisticated transmissin with codes for damn near everything. Did you check the transmission fluid level and give it the sniff test to see if it smelled burnt?

If the transmission is truly shelled-out, I'd go the Toyota reman route (be sure the dealer uses a Toyota unit and not a substitute). Your dealer should match the online price above or at least come close. I'm guessing the labor will be at least $1,000.

LEXUSBEN · 01-29-07, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SINCITY100

Unfortunately, In order to get credit on his core (old trans), Toyota usually requires that transmission cores are fully assembled.

I would be curious of what part failed too

A re-man unit lists for $2545.50 , which is actually reasonable IMO ....

I`ve personally never seen a 100 series trans fail, but obviously it does happen.
Good luck !

X2 Toyota is pretty specific on how they want them back. If not they charge back the core.

I've been with toyota/lexus since these were new and I think I have only seen 2. It happens. Your lucky a reman is available, some models have to buy new. You should be fine having a reman installed. Auto trans is a complex machine - not all could be perfect. The 1% failure, unfortunately you are in the 1 and not the 99.

Campfire · 01-29-07, 07:13 PM

"no codes" only means that the TCU did not see any faulty electrical signal from the monitored componets. The metal in the pan signals that it has a mechanical failure of large proportions

It just happens that you were the unlucky one that happens to own one of the few failures of Toyota transmissions. But by all means get a "Toyota Reman" unit or CruiserDan will hex your vehicle forever.

jp213a · 01-29-07, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by agentbubba

The service guy said it seemed the torque converter was stuck and thought it may be electrical. They were able to experience the problem at the shop but it self corrected. They had not codes and no way to tell what was causing the problem. They drove it a few more days and then said they would drop the pan and clean the screen on the transmission and hope it was a hydrulic issue. When they droped the pan it was full of metal.

The FSM states the suspected cause for Engine Stalls When Starting Off or Stopping is Torque Converter Clutch. The torque converter can be removed from the front of the transmission shaft after the transmission is removed from the vehicle. Before ordering the reman tranny, you could have them drop the transmission and inspect the torque converter and clutch. Either way, the transmission needs to come out so you might as well go one step at a time.

If you plan to keep the vehicle, have the rear main seal on the crank shaft replaced. Most of the cost for this job is removing the transmission. If you get lucky and only need a new torque converter and/or clutch, have the front transmission seal replaced too.

drewloch · 01-30-07, 06:48 AM

That sounds like the same problem I had with my 2000 LX470
http://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-cruisers/8432-2000-lx470-transmission-failure.html

3 years later and 30,000 miles later my remanufactured unit is still doing fine.

Hope this helps.
Andrew

Greg B · 01-30-07, 08:53 AM

It's wierd that this is only happening on 2000 models. I wonder if it has to do with a bad batch of transmissions since it's not popping up on the 01's or newer like the 2000's.

uzj100 · 01-30-07, 11:01 AM

What is the mileage usually?

Thanks,

uzj100

powderpig · 01-30-07, 12:00 PM

Who ever install the new one needs to clean the cooling lines and trans coolers real well. It would be not a good thing if you get it back in and you have a failure real soon(bummer for you and the shop that put it in). You will want to make sure they will be responsiable if they make a mistake. later robbie

ChuckB · 01-30-07, 12:09 PM

I'm starting to get a little nervous after reading this... I'm approaching 85K miles on mine.

NMuzj100 · 01-31-07, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ChuckB

I'm starting to get a little nervous after reading this... I'm approaching 85K miles on mine.

Why? Three transmissions known bad in 9 model years of production ?

My new Ford (2006) at work is on its third transmission rebuild in 6 months and at 8,000 total miles.

Hopefully quality is job 4!

ShottsUZJ100 · 01-31-07, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NMuzj100

My new Ford (2006) at work is on its third transmission rebuild in 6 months and at 8,000 total miles.

Hopefully quality is job 4!

DAMN!

ChuckB · 01-31-07, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NMuzj100

Why? Three transmissions known bad in 9 model years of production ?

Knowing my luck it will probably happen... I already had to deal with the AHC pump!

calamaridog · 01-31-07, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChuckB

Knowing my luck it will probably happen... I already had to deal with the AHC pump!

Quit being a cry baby

ChuckB · 01-31-07, 10:53 PM

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Quit being a cry baby

I guess I should tell you the rest of the story... I didn't pay for it

miraloiza · 01-31-07, 11:04 PM

I'm having a similar problem and the details are posted under Overdrive Problems.

cam75w/ls1 · 02-01-07, 05:56 AM

I think what the problem was on the 2000 trannies was a bad batch of torque converters. I work at a trans shop and it's hard to keep all the data in my head. If the trans hasn't sucked all the metal out of the pan into the trans you may be able to replace the converter only and service the trans. If you get a reman unit you may want to ask questions about where they come from. I had a powerstroke before that ate 4 transmissions in one year before the dealer figured it out but the remans were being built by some mom and pop operation out of ohio that had a contract w/ Ford. Remember the dealer has no way of repairing transmissions,they only do complete unit swap repairs. So maybe check w/ a reputable tranny shop for repairs? I'm going to check my bulletins on that trans at work today and if I found anything pertinent to your case then I'll forward it tonight.

01-29-07, 08:44 AM	#1
agentbubba IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2	2000 transmission failure I have a 2000 cruiser that has been well maintained. Two weeks ago the truck stalled at a redlight while my wife was driving. When I arrived on the scene it seemed the vehicle was in a high gear when I shifted it into drive or reverse and it stalled. The service guy said it seemed the torque converter was stuck and thought it may be electrical. The problem corrected itself by the time it was towed to the shop. They drove it a few days and returned it to me. A week later it happend again and we towed it back in. There were able to experience the problem at the shop but it self corrected. They had not codes and no way to tell what was causing the problem. They drove it a few more days and then said they would drop the pan and clean the screen on the transmission and hope it was a hydrulic issue. When they droped the pan it was full of metal. They are recommending a remanufactured toyota transmission as the cure. I have seen a little talk about transmission issues with 2000 cruisers and lx470s. I was wondering if the replacement of the transmission with a remanufactured transmission is a good ling term fix. The truck only has 77k on it and I wanted to drive it another 100k. Not sure if I should fix it and trade it before the warranty is out on the remanufactured transmission or if this is a good repair and I can keep it another 100k miles. Bubba

01-29-07, 11:41 AM	#4
Arleaux tardus veho Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Missippi TLCA# 14758 Posts: 396	http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.p...t=transmission That tranny is still goin strong. __________________ Chris 04 530i 97 lx450 retro-locked, CDL switch, 7 pin mod, Slee 4" kit, ShortBus bumper, 35's, GPS, DVD... being chased by a couple of eXmarks. "A human being has a natural desire to have more of a good thing than he needs"

01-29-07, 11:45 AM	#5
Greg B IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisville, KY TLCA# 15376 Posts: 1,040	I've been on this board for about 2 years now and I can only remember 2 or 3 people that had transmission problems like this. I would think a new re-man'd transmission should give you the mileage you're looking for. Maybe some of the guys that work for dealerships can chime in to let us know if they've seen more of these popping up. On the 80 vs. 100 thread, there was a Toyota Tech in AK talking about working on a lot of 100's. SinCity, LexusBen, C-Dan; some of them might be able to give good advice too. Good luck to you and sorry to hear the bad news. Just out of curiosity, what kind of price is the dealer asking for a new transmission? __________________ 2001 UZJ100 Land Cruiser ARB bar, OME lift (863's, N74L's), Slee diff drop, 295 BFG AT's, Slee step-sliders, Slee rear bumper, Husky liners, Hella 4000's My Featured 100 Thread

01-29-07, 11:56 AM	#6
farinvail IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 163	Total bummer. Good luck. Great time to put some lower gears in the t-case. You know, while your in there. See, cup half full. And WELCOME TO THE BOARD __________________ 98 uzj100. lift w/863, ARB locker, tires, frame bobed Irbis bumper, Slee sliders, winch, xmradio. I've left the pavement.

01-29-07, 01:18 PM	#7
Jim_Chow IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,301	I can only recall a few trannies going bad, all being 2000's and, I think, all LX's. __________________ '03 LX470: ART slotted & cryo'd rotors, Porterfield R4s pads, Stoptech stainless hoses, ARB sahara & Kaymar bars, HID's. '86 4Runner: lots of mods incl rear electric locker, front truetrac, regeared, OME lift, ARB/Kaymar bars. '01 Prelude SH: stock '00 Honda CRV: stock

01-29-07, 02:11 PM	#8
e9999 You want to do what...? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: PRK Posts: 10,196	welcome to the board despite the less than happy circumstances...! given the likely cost of the repair, would it not make sense to just have them clean it up first and then see if the symptoms go away? never know.... __________________ '97: 88K, 3xlock, Custom HD roo bar for sale, 285 MT/Rs on steelies, Hanna sliders, 851+1.5"/863/N73/N74E/SD24, ARB bull with M12, Kaymar with duals, Kaymar rack, Slee TC skid, 2m/440, more stuff, loose nut behind the wheel!) '03: 99K, the better half's... DD souped up DR650

01-29-07, 06:56 PM	#11
jp213a IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 275	I just received Toyota's 2007 Genuine Remanufactured Parts Guide in the mail. For a 2000 LC with the model A343F transmission, the reman transmission part number shown is 35010-6A020-84. It comes with a 12-month unlimited mileage warranty and includes the torque converter. The core value is $1,400 and it must be returned in the Toyota shipping container, fully assembled with no missing parts or external damage. If this part number is entered into the www.toyotapartscheap.com web site, the MSRP is $2,673.72 and their price is $2,138.98 with a $1,000 core value. I'd be interesting in knowing the history of the vehicle. I'm skeptical of the "no codes" story from the dealer, especially for an intermitent problem. This is a sophisticated transmissin with codes for damn near everything. Did you check the transmission fluid level and give it the sniff test to see if it smelled burnt? If the transmission is truly shelled-out, I'd go the Toyota reman route (be sure the dealer uses a Toyota unit and not a substitute). Your dealer should match the online price above or at least come close. I'm guessing the labor will be at least $1,000. __________________ jp 2000 UZJ100@150Kmi, stock

01-29-07, 07:13 PM	#13
Campfire Hot enough yet? Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Napa, California TLCA# 16416 Posts: 387	"no codes" only means that the TCU did not see any faulty electrical signal from the monitored componets. The metal in the pan signals that it has a mechanical failure of large proportions It just happens that you were the unlucky one that happens to own one of the few failures of Toyota transmissions. But by all means get a "Toyota Reman" unit or CruiserDan will hex your vehicle forever. __________________ Jeff "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that's counted counts." - Albert Einstein 1998 UZJ100, lifted, locked, 285's, TJM front, Slee rear, Warn HS9500, 7 pin mod, more stuff than needed.

01-30-07, 06:48 AM	#15
drewloch IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 8	That sounds like the same problem I had with my 2000 LX470 http://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-cruisers/8432-2000-lx470-transmission-failure.html 3 years later and 30,000 miles later my remanufactured unit is still doing fine. Hope this helps. Andrew __________________ 2000 LX470

01-30-07, 08:53 AM	#16
Greg B IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisville, KY TLCA# 15376 Posts: 1,040	It's wierd that this is only happening on 2000 models. I wonder if it has to do with a bad batch of transmissions since it's not popping up on the 01's or newer like the 2000's. __________________ 2001 UZJ100 Land Cruiser ARB bar, OME lift (863's, N74L's), Slee diff drop, 295 BFG AT's, Slee step-sliders, Slee rear bumper, Husky liners, Hella 4000's My Featured 100 Thread

01-30-07, 11:01 AM	#17
uzj100 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,044	What is the mileage usually? Thanks, uzj100 __________________ 00 - UZJ100 - D Light Mod, 2 FRB's, Husky Liners, BFG AT KO - 285/75 R 16 03 - UZJ120L http://insea.tv/Home/Home.html

01-30-07, 12:00 PM	#18
powderpig IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boulder Foothills, CO TLCA# 8901 Posts: 717	Who ever install the new one needs to clean the cooling lines and trans coolers real well. It would be not a good thing if you get it back in and you have a failure real soon(bummer for you and the shop that put it in). You will want to make sure they will be responsiable if they make a mistake. later robbie __________________ 93 FZJ 80, 4.6 l, 6 slee suspenion, Front and rear and side aromor, 44 gal aux tank, 4.88, 35 MTR, daily driver, 36 TSL fun tire, drawer system, dual batteries. Can't wait for a trip. Senior Driver FJCTT

01-30-07, 12:09 PM	#19
ChuckB Currently Cruiser-less... Join Date: May 2003 Location: Honolulu, HI TLCA# 14425 Posts: 574	I'm starting to get a little nervous after reading this... I'm approaching 85K miles on mine. __________________ '72 (Sold) '00 LX-UZJ100 (Sold) '86 FJ60 (Sold)

01-31-07, 11:04 PM	#25
miraloiza IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 34	I'm having a similar problem and the details are posted under Overdrive Problems.

02-01-07, 05:56 AM	#26
cam75w/ls1 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas, of course. Posts: 270	I think what the problem was on the 2000 trannies was a bad batch of torque converters. I work at a trans shop and it's hard to keep all the data in my head. If the trans hasn't sucked all the metal out of the pan into the trans you may be able to replace the converter only and service the trans. If you get a reman unit you may want to ask questions about where they come from. I had a powerstroke before that ate 4 transmissions in one year before the dealer figured it out but the remans were being built by some mom and pop operation out of ohio that had a contract w/ Ford. Remember the dealer has no way of repairing transmissions,they only do complete unit swap repairs. So maybe check w/ a reputable tranny shop for repairs? I'm going to check my bulletins on that trans at work today and if I found anything pertinent to your case then I'll forward it tonight. __________________ 1996 Dodge Dually(Bi-turboed) 1995 Corvette 1984 Mazda Rx-7(347 Stroker)Yes,it's fast 1991 Land Cruiser(Stock....for now)

02-01-07, 06:04 AM	#27
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